Jesus is not God – Bible Verses and Proofs
God cannot die. God doesn’t pray to himself. God doesn’t argue with himself. God didn’t anoint himself. God lives in Jesus, but Jesus is not God. The following Bible Verses will prove the fact that Jesus is NOT God.
Everything in the Bible has to be understood as it is written. You can’t interpret whatever you like and claim that it is the truth. The word of the Bible doesn’t need to be interpreted! You have to accept it as it is written.
What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it. (Deuteronomy 12:32)
God and Jesus are one, because God lives in Jesus
The most Bible Verses that are used to claim that Jesus is God, are Verses which actually prove that God lives in Jesus. God is spirit and therefore He dwells in his children.
Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. (John 14:10)
That God lives in Jesus doesn’t mean that Jesus is God. It means that God and Jesus are one. And Jesus taught us that we can become one with God as well! But do we become God then? Of course not!
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one. (John 17:21-22)
Adam and Eve were one as well. But does this make them one and the same person? Surely not. They still remain two persons, even though they are one. If two people marry each other, will they be one person? Of course not. But still, they will be inseparable in God’s eyes.
The resurrection of the dead comes by man
This Bible Verse is that clear, that there really isn’t much left to explain. It says that because death came by man (Adam and Eve), the resurrection of the dead comes by man, as well. That means that Jesus has to be a human, because the resurrection of the dead came through him. Take a look for yourself:
For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. (1 Corinthians 15:21-25)
God puts everything under Jesus feet
Why should God put everything under his own feet, if everything already belongs to him? He has created everything, therefore He is also the owner of all things. This Verse can only make sense, if Jesus is actually another person and not God himself:
For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. (1 Corinthians 15:27)
Jesus can’t do anything of his own
If he says that he can’t do anything of his own, how was he able to do great signs and wonders? Because God did all these things THROUGH him:
I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. (John 5:30)
There is one God and one mediator. Jesus is NOT God.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. (1 Thimothy 2:5-6)
Jesus is not God, but Jesus has a God
Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints, Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers; That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him. (Ephesians 1:15-17)
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. (John 20:17)
Jesus has only one God
Jesus said that there is only one God. If he was God himself, why didn’t he just say that he is God? Wouldn’t that be much easier for everyone?
And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord. (Mark 12:29)
Jesus is not God, because God is not a human
For I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee. (Hosea 11:9)
God is not a man … neither the son of man. (Numbers 23:19)
For he [God] is not a man. (1 Samuel 15:29)
Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord. (Deuternomy 6:4)
Jesus died, but God can’t die
God doesn’t die, because He himself is life. Therefore it was necessary for Him to forsake Jesus on the cross. And that is also the reason why Jesus cried out these words: “God, why have you forsaken me?” (Mark 15:34).
And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour. And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? (Mark 15:33-34)
Jesus is not God, because Jesus doesn’t know what God knows
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. (Matthew 24:34-36)
Jesus has a different will than God. Jesus is not God!
And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. (Matthew 26:39)
Jesus thanks God for hearing him
Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me. And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me. (John 11:41-42)
Jesus says that only God is good
And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God. (Luke 18:18-19)
Jesus own words
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. (John17:3)
Jesus is not God, but the son of God
He saith unto them, “But whom say ye that I am?” And Simon Peter answered and said, “Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.” And Jesus answered and said unto him, “Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.” (Matthew 16:15-17)
Jesus did not anoint himself, but was anointed by God
And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron. So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee. (Hebrews 5:4-5)
God and Jesus still remain two entities
But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. (Acts 7:55-56)
We only have one God, the Father
For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. (1 Corinthians 8:5-6)
And we also praise only one God, the Father of Jesus Christ
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ. (Ephesians 1:3)
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Oh my word sir you are so lost on this point and are using those scriptures completely wrong. Jeremiah 23:1 Woe to you sir . I just ask that you read the correct bible and study it and pray through it.
Jesus is God , he is the great “I AM “, he is the alpha and omega , he is the creator and the savior!
He provided all those verses and you still have something to say against him. At this point YOU’RE the one that’s lost. If you stop being stubborn you’ll find life. Jesus was asked if He’s the Messiah, son of God. He answered, “I am”
It says that HE (God/Jesus) emptied Himself and came as man.
God is the One we cannot look direct on because HE is HOLY. Jesus is God in the flesh, He is who walked with Adam in the Garden and then came through the virgin birth. The Holy Spirit is the third part of the God-head and He indwells in those who truly believe His Word and don’t twist it like you or the devil that wrote this blasphemous article.
They, “Father, Son/Jesus and Holy Spirit”, are three in one and if you reject that Jesus is God, you reject His Truth.
Read the BIBLE and stop listening to devils like this guy!
The ignorance of this guy is beyond belief!
The Nephillim are coming for y’all!
Read the BIBLE and stop listening to devils like this guy? Was the uy quoting from a science book?
Please take the time to research the eras when Catholic(Universal) church was taken over and became the Roman Catholic Church There are several periods when they altered the Bible. Approximately 200 to 400 ad, again around 1200 a.d and about 1600 to 1800.In Jesus own words. Pray to the Father as I do. On the Cross, my Father why hast thou forsaken me. There is only 1 God. He commands us with, THOU SHALT HAVE NO OTHER GOD BEFORE ME
The Nephilim are coming for y’all 😅 wtheck. Way to spread fear. Congratulations. This is a great article. Its painful that millions of brainwashed Christian’s accept the trinitarian, non-biblical explanations of God. I feel really sorry for you all that you haven’t received the holy spirit and been enlightened, I pray that you and the rest of the misled religionists(?) Do too.
Thanks for the accurate perception of the bible article writer.
Do you watch real bible believers. I do too Dr kim is the best pastor. God is using him mightly
So God speaks to himself? I ask because all the scriptures this guy gave and you still say he is wrong? then why did Jesus pray and ask the Father to take this cup from him but non the less father let thy will be done.? or when Jesus who sinned not went to be baptized God speaks from heaven this is my SON in whom I am well pleased? I do not think this guy is the one who needs read and study. We are instructed to study to show ourselves approved before GOD not man that we are able to rightly divide HIS word.
Bible also teaches that we are to encourage one another not condemn. OH one more thing Why would God call out to HIMSELF and say Father forgive them for they know NOT what they do? or Ask himself why has thou forsaken me? We all are to study for God the Fathers approval NOT mans approval.
This is how you can tell true believers vs lost people. The deceived think they can go around calling people devils when this writer could very well have a close personal relationship with the true God. Who are you to call him a devil? Very good article. It’s amazing what you are shown when you search for the truth!
I just thought of something…trinitarians say that those of us who believe Jesus is not God are denying him yet they are denying that he came in the flesh! The truth is so simple and people insist on keeping it complicated. He is the son of God! We are not denying him! Mt 16:16 would have been a perfect time for Peter to say Jesus is God but did he? No he said you are the son of the living God and Jesus said it was revealed to Peter and Jesus was satisfied with his response! We respond with the same words and are called devils! It says that in the end times right will be called wrong and wrong will be called right…..
So should Jesus be worshipped?
Please look up the origin of the Trinity Doctrine….you will find that it is a manmade doctrine claiming Jesus and his father to be equal. Jesus himself said he was not, so who shall we believe…God’s son or humans? This person has produced all the passages from God’s Word and none of them state that Jesus is God Almighty.
Since most cookie cutter “christians” rely on atheist influenced bibles instead of Scripture, all kinds of goofball beliefs circulate “christianity”. Read the Scriptures, not the bible, 1 Timothy 3:16- “And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.” Jesus is fully God and fully man- God the Father is not. They are different Persons with different Offices, but that does not mean that Jesus is not deity. Jesus Christ has eternal existence, and all the same attributes as God; He is omniscient, omnipotent,, infinite, and immutable. He is the first and the last. And my dear friend, human beings cannot perform miracles, Miracles are the work of God. Scripture warns 97 times not to be deceived. God excoriated Adam for hearkening to another human voice, yet almost every “christian” forms belief from reading human opinions, and out of convenience rather than conviction.
Jesus is fully God, yet by the words of his own mouth does not know when the day of the LORD will occur? How can there be something that God does not know? And if Jesus is fully God, why would Jesus say ‘not my will, but thine, be done’? If he was fully God then that would include the will of God, no?
Everyone knows that 1 Timothy is a forgery put out by the corrupt Roman Catholic Church. 1 Timothy presents the most explicit and complete instructions for church leadership and organization in the entire Bible. This includes sections on appropriate conduct in worship gatherings, the qualifications of elders and deacons, and the proper order of church discipline. Ask yourself, to whose benefit??? This forged epistle tries to establish the Holy Roman Church! All of Jesus’ disciples truly believed that Jesus would come for them within their lifetime, so why establish rules for a church? The apostles met in homes and such and still honored the Sabbath on Saturday because they were JEWS, as was Jesus! They believed Jesus fulfilled Jewish laws and prophecies – that he had come to redeem Judaism and the Jews, not to set up another religion. Therefore, it is natural that they would continue to meet in the Temple. They were also following Jesus’ example, who had taught crowds in the Temple only a few months before. The Temple was more than just the place of sacrifice – it was the central point of the Jewish religion and the location to spread the word to other Jews. The first church building didn’t come along until well after Paul died!
Jesus is to be celebrated as the anointed of God like David and others. Jesus is not to be worshipped; that belongs to God only. Yet, most Christians take the one statement Jesus supposedly said (I AM) and disregard the many times he said he is not God. Blasphemous!
Please read Relevation 1:1. Why would God give Relevation to Jesus Christ if Jesus is God?
It is heart-breaking your deception. I hope you come to The Truth before it is too late for you!
Sorry but how can Jesus and God the Father both be infinite? And how could the earth even exist if God is infinitely extended? Wouldn’t God’s infinity crowd out and make impossible the existence of all other things? Don’t be careless with these words. You lack godly wisdom and are proving how little you actually understand about God.
There is one God I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
God is not a man nor a son of man’ (Numbers 23:19)
The Bible often calls Jesus ‘a son of man’ or ‘the son of man.’
so will the son of man be’ (Matthew 12:40)
The Bible says that God is greater than Jesus
‘My Father is greater than I’ (John 14:28)
‘My father is greater than all.’ (John 10:29)
Jesus can not be God if God is greater than him. The Christian belief that the Father and son are equal is in direct contrast to the clear words from Jesus.
The hour cometh and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship him.’ (John 4:23)
If Jesus was God, he would have sought worship for himself
Since he didn’t, instead he sought worship for God in the heavens, therefore, he was not God.
Jesus worshipped the only true God
‘that they might know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.’ (John 17:3)
‘he continued all night in prayer to God.’ (Luke 6:12)
‘Just as the son of man did not come to be served, but to serve’ (Matthew 20:28)
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.’ (Acts 3:13)
‘God raised up his servant’ (Acts 3:26)
When faced by opposition from the authorities, Peter said
‘We must obey God rather than men! The God of our fathers raised Jesus’ (Acts 5:29-30)
The Bible says that Jesus could not do anything by himself
‘The son can do nothing by himself; he can only do what he sees his Father doing.’ (John 5:19)
‘I can of mine own self do nothing.’ (John 5:30)
The Bible says that Jesus did not consider himself equal with God
and that God performed miracles through Jesus & Jesus was limited in what he could do:
‘But when the crowds saw this, they were awestruck, and glorified God, who had given such authority to men.’ (Matt. 9:8)
‘a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst.’ (Acts 2:22)
‘I do not seek my own will, but the will of Him who sent me.’ (John 5:30)
‘For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of Him that sent me.’ (John 6:38)
Bible says that God is not man
‘God is not a man’ (Numbers 23:19)
‘For I am God, and not man’ (Hosea 11:9)
God cannot be tempted as Jesus was tempted in the wilderness.
Seek the truth, pray for understanding and remember the Trinity came to a later date not in early Christianity.
First, remove the beam out of your own eye, and then you can see clearly to remove the speck out of your
Now see that I, even I, am He, And there is no God besides Me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; Nor is there any who can deliver from My hand.
God is one God. And none have the right to be worshipped but He alone.
I reverted to Islam because the truth in the Bible has been changed to revert people from the truth. The Quran is the last scripture send from God, to rectify the lies about God and Jesus (Peace be upon him).
I love Jesus with all my heart and love my Creator God, the One God one source of all creation first above all.
Alisha be careful. What you said is partially true and I can see why it’s hard to trust anything coming from mainstream Christianity but Jesus is the messiah who was written about in the Torah he fulfilled all the prophecies spoken about him. He did in fact die and was resurrected. Many people witnessed this. He warned that after him would come false prophets. So be warned. Jesus is not God however he is the firstborn of all creation and very precious to God.He is Gods only begotten son. Be careful to deny him. Imagine the God you love so much giving his most precious thing for your sake and you say no he didn’t….
Alisha the quran is not from God/Yah. It denies the death/crucifixion of Yahushua/Jesus when it has been proven by sources OUTSIDE of the Bible. The Bible is actually the last text from our beloved God. Turn away from false religions that promote lies
“Alisha Vorster”..LOL…you were never Christian were you? Fake account. You guys are comical now.
Regrettably, like most “christians” there is a leaning on the human intellect instead of the divine illumination of the Holy Ghost. It should not surprise you then that your intellect fails at understanding divine absolutes; and cause you to see things that are not there. The reason, and the ONLY reason that Jesus said that His Father is “greater than I” is because Jesus has a human nature, the Father does not. Jesus Christ is God manifested in the flesh (1 Timothy 3;16), meaning that Jesus is FULLY GOD and FULLY MAN. Jesus has eternal existence. He is omniscient, omnipotent, infinite and immutable. What human being or being lesser than God can you name with those attributes? You can’t.
I Tim. 3:16 is referring to Jesus not God. If you do an in-depth study of this verse you’ll note that Trinitarian Scholars admit that these Greek texts were altered. The earliest manuscripts is not “God” but rather “he who”. 16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness;
He who was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the spirit, Seen of angels,
Preached among the nations, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.
NO manuscript earlier than the 8th or 9th century supports [God]. I Tim. 3:16 actually argues against the trinity. This verse once again supports all we know of Jesus Christ. “He was manifested in the flesh or “made known in the flesh”. If Jesus is God then this would have been a perfect place for
God was incarnate”, or “God came in the flesh”, or “he came as true God and true man”, etc. but nothing like that occurs.
God is one in being, 3 in person.
All said and done. You have clearly stated everything that proves Jesus is not God but the Son of God, Kudos to you Brother! May God be with all of us. And may the non believers open their eyes someday. Thanks very much for all the scriptures you have also shared.
Cory you have been brain wash by the church. Read and understand your bible
Cory you are wrong! Jesus is the Son of God, The Word of God. There are two entities in here, the “Word” being the “Son” of God manifested in flesh and named Jesus Christ and the other entity is his father- The only true God (John 17:3). The Father – the only true God has NO beginning and no ending, He is from everlasting to everlasting. While Jesus said: “I am the Alpha and Omega, the BEGINNING and the ending”. The Word of God is the only begotten Son of God who is sent in the world and dwell in a human body. The only Son of God- The WORD’s material body was named Jesus Christ. God is a Spirit and NOT a human.
Jesus is not the beggoten son of God, he is the adopted son maybe.
Jesus is the only begotten son. One must accept this to be saved. His sacrifice is what is able to give us life after death
totally Agree! Thanks Alicia
God cannot die. If jesus is god that means god died which means he is not all powerful. Jesus is only son of god.
Praying to Jesus is just like praying to marry . Only pray to God the author is correct . Jesus and God are 2 different beings . That’s why Jesus starved in the desert even with Satan telling him to make bread . Jesus said he is not the creator. It’s a misinterpretation that becomes a tradition . Just like the telephone game in school we’re you say something to someone and by the time it gets to the last person it’s different then intended .
If Jesus is not the Creator, then let’s hear your explanation of John 1.
As you know, Jesus declared himself to be the light of the world, per Jn 8:12. So when did the light of the world come into existence? Answer: Gen 1:3 when God created light. That’s why scripture states that all things were created through him (Jesus) per Jn 1:3; Col 1:16 because he was the first of God’s creation. The first thing that God did was create light from the darkness. Only the Father is the Creator but the agent of His creation is Jesus, who is the light of the world, through whom all things were created. And that’s why Jesus is the “firstborn” of all creation, per Col 1:16 as all things proceeded from him. Moreover, Jesus being the Word, was with God IN THE BEGINNING (Jn 1:1). Eternity has NO beginning, therefore Jesus is NOT co-eternal with the Father. Nowhere in the Bible is Jesus referred to as “God the son” but instead the “Son of man” or alternately, the “Son of God.”
Scripture interprets scripture but we’ve managed to twist it into the false Trinity doctrine.
Bad translation.. “In the beginning was ho logos (the word), and the word was with ho theos (the God), and the word was Godlike.”
Jesus had god in him he the flesh was not God but God in him the only way to Go to heaven is to believe Jesus is the son of God not that jesus is God that’s adding to the bible when you say jesus is God hope you understand.
You are the lost man.
no he is not God. This site is right you are believing the teachings of the roman catholic church. Read Revelation 5:5. Why should the creator of the book be worthy to unseal his own book ? Jesus is the son of God and the only human that has kept the law all his life he is the example for us. Many verses in the bible show what is possible if one really believes in God and keeps his commandments.
Being in the form of man, He humbled Himself even unto death on the cross, ignoring Jesus Deity and only focusing on His humanity exposes how selective and economical you guys are with the truth, Jesus like a great Teacher step by step taught that He wasn’t only wrapped in mortality but is very God. Never for once did Jesus say I am not God or don’t worship Me. Without Doubt, Jesus is God Almighty as far as Scripture is concerned.
Brother,Believe me- it’s your fear that is not allowing you to see the Truth.Jesus,so proud of his Father, says “This is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.Since his Father is the ONLY true God,any other Deity would be a false god.This is what Jesus is telling you! The fact that Jesus was given any kind of Authority means he is now God? In what sense can the Father be greater then the son,yet the two be equal? Fact,Jesus freely confessed his knowledge was limited regarding “Of that day and hour”,etc.Honor thy Mother and Father.My Father will always be my Father,Iam proud to say I’m his son.You should too
Pro 16:18 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.
Bible is filled with warnings of being prideful for anyone or anything.
God only had a right to be proud of HIS only begotten son who sinned NOT yet HE did NOT say HE was proud of this HIS only begotten son. HE said this is my only begotten son in whom I AM WELL PLEASED. NOT proud. here is the example we are to live by. WE SHOULD Not be telling our children, parents, family or friends or anyone how proud we are of their achievements and well doing.
God bless you for this Cory, this is one of the antichrists. He doesn’t have the Holy Spirit in him.
Bold haughty statement to make when you have no idea if he is approved by the true God or not…he is saying the same thing Peter said in Mt 16:16
1Ko 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Don’t know how much clearer it can get: THERE IS BUT ONE GOD THE FATHER!
Don’t know what else Jesus and the Apostles could say to explain that only one person is God that person is referred to in the Bible as the Father. And this person is Jesus God, so how can you make it that Jesus is God? Read what it says!
Andreas at this point it seems like they are going to have to hear it from Jesus mouth themselves because the word of God is not enough for them. Jesus said it in so many different ways. Very simple. He is Gods son! It’s beautiful when you know the truth because you can appreciate what God actually did for us. It’s easier to sacrifice yourself than to give up your very own child and watch them suffer but Andreas you understand why it had to be done in order to redeem mankind. Appreciate Gods sacrifice for us!!!
Jehovah God. Jesus Christ.
I am that I am , Jehovah , Joshua , Jesus are all evil! Go Dam them all ! The original sin a byte of an apple fooled by Lucifer who is as old as time and very wise. The all loving God punishment and understanding for a the first sin Death , sickness , child bearing and work . How loving and compassionate for the first sin who Lucifer is greatly responsible for. Is Lucifer dead ? Sick ? Has his years of life been diminished? No ! Who does God really Love ? Man who suffers since the beginning? Or Lucifer who is beautiful Angel ?
Fools why is man so stupid ? The great flood ! Sodom and Gomorrah ! How many times has man suffer under an unjust and truly evil God ?
You are the one that is evil but not Yeshua / Jesus or God ! At first the Human decided Go his own way without God! God gave Adam and Everything! But they leave God. Gid warned them to not eat the fruit! THE HUMAN WANTED EAT !!!!!The consequences are death , illness and so one . BUT at the beginning God cursed Satan at first because He did bring the Sin and death! After that he cursed Adam and Eve but this curse was only the consequences! GOD LOVES US ! Because he said at the beginning that satan will be not forgiven never!!!!!!!and the woman’s seed will destroy him. This seed was Jesus! Jesus came to us to give us the truth. We was the slaves of satan because he did lie and left us really in sickness and death and the demons controlled the humans. God has a plan at the beginning to save the Human! DONT BLAME GOD FOR THE CHOICE OF HUMANS! Even TODAY the human DONT want listen to GOD and JESUS they somewhat they want!!!!! The HUMANS System make all Sick with chemicals , Child work, abuse, rape, poorness slave- THIS ALL COMES FROM HUMANS!! Everyone have a FREE WILL! the humans can decide ! Even satan have free will ! But he will NEVER become Gods grace and forgiveness! But the Humans became grace , forgiveness, healing and peace ! If you want be blessed or protection than only God can give it BECAUSE HE IS YOURE CREATOR !!!!! Like parents protect the child so even God protect us as his children. It’s not about this life on earth it’s about the Kingdom of God ! And last Satan will be burn forever in pain after returning of Jesus. Because his time is running and he know that that is why he is now crazy and want people like you destroy and take many people with him! Don’t believe his lies !!!! God love humans ! If he would not love he would never prepare a new world for us and would destroy humanity but God don’t want it ! Humans suffer by satan or humans . God give freedom , love peace and heal ! Think about you’re life and ask yourself which decision you made that you’re life is like you life is! Did you pray?! Did you wanted help from God?! God can’t give you something if you don’t want ! God never forced! And even you wanted something it don’t mean that only you don’t get it God don’t given it to you. God give you what the right is for you! And if you don’t want understand this it’s you’re problem. The second death will be very painful! The first death is sleep! So God bless you and cast out the demons of you in the name of Yeshua Amen. What you wrote is not normal ! You know it ?! God is you’re creator ! He gave you life ! It’s you’re seduction how long this life will be forever or not!
Well said. All so called Christians have been fooled. They are totally brainwashed and continually argue among themselves because the Bible is nothing but a collection of writings of unknown authorship replete with inconsistencies and contradictions. The Bible was put together by an evil and corrupt church in order to fool the dumb slaves.
A loving God would never allow his children to suffer for thousands of years. He wouldn’t have drowned millions of innocent babies and animals in a flood either. He also wouldn’t have ordered the Israelites to commit genocide against neighboribg peoples who were also his children. And last but not least, wouldn’t torture anyone in the eternal fires of Hell, as most blind Christians have been led to believe. Most of these concepts have their origins in much more ancient pagan scriptures anyway.
The idea of sacrifice itself, whether an animal or person, is an abomination. a product of evil, twisted and barbaric minds. To think that God would require a sacrifice to extend forgiveness is downright stupid.
All of Jesus Christ’s predictions about the end and the arrival of God’s kingdom, according to the Bible, were meant to be fulfilled back in the 1st century. That’s what all Christians believed back then, as can be seen in Paul’s letters. Nothing happened. Yet, for 2,000 years each generation of Christians has been fooled into believing that it’s going to happen during their lifetime. They don’t seem to realize that they have been fooled by a great Psyop. All religion is a Psyop to deceive the slaves by giving them false hope of eternal life while they’re exploited in the farm. Like Charles Fort intelligently concluded many decades ago, “The earth is a farm. We’re someone else’s property”. This explains the human condition throughout the ages. The only reason for our existence is to slave for the system and bring a new generation of slaves to the farm. After you raise the new slaves, you’re disposed of like trash by a gradual genetically programmed process of self destruction called aging. It repeats itself over and over, generation after generation with no end in sight. The earth is nothing but a slave factory.
The plural word Elohim in the old testament, was mistranslated by the Church as God in order to fool the masses. They are the real creators of humanity and all life in this world. Jehovah/Yahweh was only one among many. He was a low ranking elohim assigned to the people of Israel. This explains his genocidal tendencies. The Elohim inhabit the totality of reality, while they relegated us to a very narrow band of the spectrum of reality so we could be easily controlled and manipulated. Anyone who reads the books or watches the Youtube videos of Mauro Biglino and Paul Wallis will learn how the Bible has been altered and mistranslated throughout history to hide these facts.
Jesus is not God. He was just a man. You can’t be 100 per cent human and 100 per cent divine. Those who can’t use natural intelligence should just be ignored. Fools never think,they are blind.
THE REASON THAT Lord Almighty and Redeemer CHRIST JESUS OF NAZARETH: is ALPHA AND OMEGA BECAUSE HE IS ONE WITH THE FATHER IN THAT HE IS LORD ALMIGHTY AND SAVIOUR. REMEMBER? ISAIAH I AM THE LORD, AND THERE WAS NO God Form beside me? The FATHER IS LORD GOD BECAUSE HE DESERVES THE TITLE, THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON CAN STILL BE ALPHA + OMEGA IT JUST MEANS THE TRUTH. Lord Almighty and Redeemer CHRIST JESUS OF NAZERETH THE SON OF MAN
ON THE RIGHT HAND OF FATHER LORD GOD. NEVER SAID HE IS, LORD GOD: IN HIS HOLY VICTORY BLOOD, IN THE, KJV HOLY BIBLE.
Does Lord Almighty and Redeemer Christ Jesus say that in his own HOLY BLOOD? ANYWHERE IN THE ENTIRE HOLY BIBLE. NO, HE DOES NOT HE SAYS HE IS: Lord and Master (ref. John 13:13 KJV! )
IF YOU can find a verse that says he is FATHER LORD GOD ALMIGHTY OF HOSTS, than I will take my due punishment from HEAVENLY FATHER LORD GOD ALMIGHTY YODH-HE-WAW-HE
Then YOU WILL NE PROVING ME WRONG PLUS CALLING HIM SPIRIT ONLY? JOHN 4:24 “GOD IS A SPIRIT AND, THEY THAT WORSHIP HIM MUST WORSHIP HIM IN SPIRIT AND TRUTH.”
SO, YOU ARE SAYING THE RISEN AND ASCENDED SON OF MAN SEATED AT THE RIGHT HAND OF HEAVENLY FATHER LORD GOD ALMIGHTY: Lord Almighty and Redeemer CHRIST JESUS OF NAZARETH; is Spirit only came to the Earth n Spirit only and not WATER & BLOOD. AS THE ROOT AND OFFSPRING OF DÁ-VID.
WHAT DOES OFFSPRING MEAN?
JOHN 1:1 KJV: IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD? KEY 🔑 WORD WAS!
LORD ALMIGHTY AND SAVIOUR CHRIST JESUS THE RISEN SON OF MAN NEVER, WOULD HAVE BEEN CRUCIFIED! IF LORD CHRIST WAS JUST A SPIRIT? THAT IS THE DOCTRINE OF THE ANTICHRIST
YOU NEED TO LOOK AT: 1 JOHN 4:3-4 KJV, ALSO 1 JOHN 5:5 -12 KJV.
Jesus is not God. There was a God before him and a God after him. Don’t be like the ones who were worshiping the brass snake in the desert. I worship the creator… and not the creation. There is always a living God.. the ark… the vessel… the church…. The house of the fathers that is not made of brick and stone. I AM the house that he resides in. I AM the temple… I AM the Holy matrimony… when the spirit of God descend upon me. I Am the two who God brings together that no man can undo. To look upon my face… the greater he who is in me is the one who is looking back at you. There is only one… and every one else is just the vessel… or as Jesus said… I am the 🚪 door. In which God moves through. I am born in his image and likeness. God who dwells in me with man forever and ever. Looks like me… and either I am like him or he is like me.
If Jesus is God, what Title does his Father have? Guess what, YOU BELIEVE IN MORE THAN ONE GOD!
Ha Ha. What title does his father have? The father of God!
the author is spot on…GOD is one…jesus is not GOD….its in the bible friend…read again
Jesus is the Christ the first born of creation!
My dear Cory! Jeremiah 23:1 “Woe to the shepherds who are destroying and scattering the sheep of My pasture!”, declares the LORD. Applies to you. With your Roman Catholic “Trinity” and their “God man”. How can you see proof that Jesus is not God and still deny it? The main theme of the New Testament is God AND Jesus.
You are so right John 17:24
Hmn, why didn’t he ( Jesus pbuh) save himself if he is the god? Now that he is dead, who is running the universe? Why would he keep saying father/seek refuge in father if he had all the power?
Thank you for writing this article and trying to open people’s eyes. It irks me in recent years hearing people calling Jesus God. I’ve even been told that if I obey the commandments which God has set forth, that I’m wrong, and all I have to do is worship Jesus. Even when God himself said have no other gods before me, and Jesus even said to the crowd the Lord our God the Lord in ONE. But Christians want to have two Lords, and nowadays with the false churches they’re even forsaking the rea; God, our father in heaven and following Jesus a man in the bible who died, and calling him Lord. Although most Christians nowadays, unlike the ones of the past, are hateful and brainwashed and they’ll attack. I suppose because it’s convenient for them to not follow any commandments, due as they please, and still go to heaven.
Five words for you.
Bind, deaf, dumb and Irrational
No. Because Christ was tempted by Satan himself. In Hebrews chapter 4 it says Jesus was tempted in all areas as are we. But in James it says God CANNOT be tempted.
So, without editorial from outside the Bible, reconcile that with scripture. I’ll wait…
I just decided to come up on stage and drop the 🎤 for you.
All good, except Jesus was not forsaken!
But, let us not think for a moment that Jesus was separated from his Father. Sin separates from God – Jesus never sinned. He WAS the sin offering only.
God…by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering Rom 8:3
Yet it was the LORD’s will to crush Him and to cause Him to suffer; and when His soul is made a guilt offering, He will see His offspring, He will prolong His days, and the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand. Is 53:10
The erroneous idea that Jesus became sin is of poor understanding.
The Gr. ‘hamartia’ can be translated as ‘sin’ OR ‘sin offering’. So the former is not forced on us.
1 John 3:5 And you know that He appeared, so that He might take away sins; and in Him there is no sin.
It seems to be this matter of Jesus becoming sin for this moment that God is to have abandoned him. This is the final moment of glory for the Father and His son in the accomplishment of the whole plan laid down from the foundation of the world!
Jesus crying out, ‘My God, why have you abandoned me?’ is a timely quote from the Psalms. Jesus knew that the Jews and followers knew the Psalms well.
Ps 22 begins with …why have you forsaken me? and goes on to lay out the things that Jesus had or was fulfilling in this moment and up to this moment from this Psalm.
I wont draw this out – you can read it for yourself, but he finishes with words that are largely lost in our translations. Jesus was drawing their attention to all these details – beginning with the first verse and also quoting the last – they knew what was in the middle and were being called to mind the details that applied directly to him – to the prophecies that were being fulfilled.
v31 They will come and declare His righteousness To a people yet to be born—that He has done it [and that it is finished]. AMP
2 Corintians 5:21 KJV: “For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.”
Jesus was/is God Incarnate. He forgave sins, knowing only God can do that. Without Jesus being God, there is no Gospel.
He is not God. God gave Jesus authority on earth to forgive sins. Look up this verse: “But I want you to know that the Son of man has authority on earth to forgive sins.”
you are right layla they believe the roman teachings. Jesus is the only human that never sinned and that is why he had full authority and is worthy to open the seals.
The man of sin (the pope) thinks he can forgive sin on Earth
Nope, Jesus is powerless without his Father, the one and only God.
If Jesus was a Jewish rabbi and read Taurat, if he was God,why did he not stop preaching Judaism. His disciples were Torah observing adherents. The messiah would be 100 oer cent human. We can believe that Jesus is the messiah. But those who believe he is God,obviously have been brainwashed. God is spirit. He doesn’t change into human form. This stuff comes from Greeks and Romans.
you nailed it
Well said !
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
“No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.”
“Thomas answered and said to Him [Jesus], “My Lord and my God!”
“…the Christ according to the flesh, who is over all, God blessed forever. Amen”
“…looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus…”
“But of the Son He [God] says,
‘Your throne, O God, is forever and ever…'”
“…by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ…”
(2 Peter 1:1)
There are exactly seven passages in the New Testament that explicitly call Jesus “God.” I agree with you on one point, that the Bible must be allowed to say exactly what it says. If Jesus is God, all of the passages cited by the article above still make sense, because Jesus was not only fully God, but fully Man (this is the teaching of Philippians 2:5-11). On the other hand, if Jesus is not God, the above seven passages cannot be reconciled. And it seems significant to me that so many of the New Testament writers make the point: the apostle John, the apostle Paul, the writer to the Hebrews (whoever that was), and the apostle Peter. One of them might have been confused on the issue, but for all four of them to get this wrong seems a little incongruous, especially if we still hold fast to the biblical teaching that the Scriptures are breathed out by God.
Further, the New Testament consistently refers to Christ as “Lord.” The Greek word “kurios,” translated “Lord,” is a bit ambiguous, given that it simply meant one who had authority over another. But the Old Testament generally accepted at the time of Christ was the Septuagint (a translation into Greek, of the Hebrew Old Testament). In the Septuagint, the Greek word “kurios” almost exclusively refers to God. This is one of the reasons why most English translations render the Hebrew proper name “Yhwh” in the Old Testament as “Lord.” So the New Testament writers connected Jesus Christ to the Divine name, even when they were not explicitly and outright identifying Him that way.
One last note: the gospel of John is fairly unambiguous on this point. Seven times, Jesus uses the phrase, “I Am” of Himself, directly connecting Himself to the divine name. Beyond that, John quotes Jesus as making several clear statements about His divinity and preexistence. Some of those statements are even connected to the “I Am” references I just mentioned. For example:
“Jesus said to them, ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.'”
In this case, the Jews to whom He spoke understood very well that He was claiming Deity for Himself. They rejected that claim, however, and proceeded to attempt to inflict upon Him the Old Testament penalty for blasphemy, which was stoning.
And consider also the prayer Christ prayed before His arrest:
“Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”
These kinds of statements are difficult to reconcile, if Jesus did not believe and understand Himself to be God.
So I’ll make a suggestion to you that I think you would all agree is the most important thing: Examine the whole counsel of God within the written Scriptures, and do so without any agenda as to what we think it should say. Just let it speak. I always try to come at it fresh, without assuming in my mind that I already understand it all. Otherwise, what is the point of reading it? I will never grow in my understanding, because I am unteachable at the outset! I might as well not waste my time.
I pray the Lord Jesus will show the truth to all of us, in His time and by His great mercy and grace.
Be blessed in Him!
Jesus falsely prophecies many times
Matthew 24:34 Jesus said to his apostles this generation shall not pass away yet they all pass away!
Jesus is not GOD
Not only was Jesus not God, but He was a false prophet as well?
I’ll tell you the truth. I showed you clear statements from the Scripture that state clearly the Deity of Christ. You ignored them altogether, and instead used a misinterpreted (yes, I read Koine), and misapplied quote that is, even on its face, entirely irrelevant to the issue of His Deity, to claim that not only was He not God, but was also a liar.
I’m thinking if I stand you and Christ next to one another, ONE of you is speaking falsehood. And I’ll bet you can guess, from this post, where my money’s at.
I’ll pray for you, “brother.”
the followers of Jesus,believed he would return within their generation. But nothing has happened to date. Jesus was simply a preacher. A great preacher. A man of God. It is only Christians who believe he is God. No other religion believes Jesus is God. God is spirit and God cannot die. But many people have been brainwashed.
Yeshua will return ! And he was right because his apostles will judge the 12 tribes of Israel!
His generation as he said
Explain which generation he did mean?!
John 1:1 the word translated as God is the Greek word Theos – #1 translation – “a god or goddess…a general name of divinities”. Also can be translated as “God’s representative(which is what Jesus actually is) or viceregent” also can be translated as something likened unto God or that resembles him in anyway(ie: the image of God in which men are made)
John 1:18 The Greek word Uihos is translated as son in a literally or figurative sense. The King James is correct in translating it as “The only begotten “SON” of God..NOT ” the only begotten God from the absolutely erroneous translation you printed from.
John 20:28 – “My Lord and my God”. Once again, the Greek word here is Theos – a god or goddess, which Jesus referred to Psalms 82:6 saying does not the law of Moses say to whom all recieved the scriptures “Ye are gods” in response to the Jews accusing him of saying he was God, which he refuted.
Roman’s 9:5 – KJV – “…from whom Christ came,(comma) who is over all,(comma) God blessed(ie: blessed by God) forever. Amen. Once again, Trinitarian inspired versions such as NIV blatantly change the words to say “…Christ who is God over all, forever praised amen”, which once again is a false rendering to change the meaning.
Titus 2:13 – KJV – “…appearing of THE Great God “AND” of our Saviour Jesus Christ”. Once again the NIV unashamedly changes the words to say “…the appearing of OUR(not The) God and Saviour Jesus Christ in a deceptive attempt to make them one and the same.
Hebrews 1:8 – “Thy throne O God…”. Once again, the Greek word is Theos…a god or goddess or representative, viceregent, magistrate or judge. In Psalms 45:6 from which this is quoted – “Thy Throne O God..”, the Hebrew word is Elohiym, which is plural and #1 translation is “ruler(s) or judge(s). Also translated as god or goddess, godlike ones, godly, angels or mighty one(s).
2 Peter 1:1 – KJV – “…righteousness of God AND(distinctive) our Savior Jesus Christ”. Once again the NIV unabashedly changes the words to fit their preconceived notions by saying “…righteous of our God and Savior(non-distinctive) Jesus Christ”.
The confusion can be done away with if people would know, use, seek refuge in, rely upon, fear, proclaim to the ends of the earth, love honor and cherish the Name of God, which he commands a myriad of times. His Name is YaHWeH and Jesus who came in his Father’s name real name is YaHUshuah which means YaHWeH is salvation. This would automatically take confusion out of verses like Psalms 110 where it says (KJV) “THE LORD(YaHWeH) said unto my Lord(Hebrew word adon, meaning ruler, king, lord, magistrate, master)(which is what Jesus is..He is not YaHWeH. He is YaHWeHs Servant – Isaiah 42 whom God chose and anointed and appointed and “I will place my Spirit UPON him”..ie: Jesus is not the Holy Spirit either. God had to place his Spirit upon him. This happened at his baptism by John at the Jordan River when he was 30 years old and had been prepared and sanctified through obedience to relieve it. Hebrews 5:7-9 – Jesus prays and petitions God – The ONE who could save him from death and God heard him because he feared God. Though he were a son, he had to suffer in order to LEARN TO BE OBEDIENT and once he was MADE perfect he was ready to become the captain of our salvation. I could go on for days but not enough time or space. The 7 twisted and misused scriptures you submitted have been sufficiently discredited as far as being used to say Jesus is YaHWeH, The One True God of Israel(Hear O Israel, YaHWeH your God is One, YaHWeH). In contrast there are a multitude of scriptures in the Bible – too numerous to count here and many of which have already been posted in this thread- which make it more than abundantly clear that Jesus is not God but rather the Son/Servant, Word of God. The Apostle and High Priest of our profession. The prophet God promised he would send(Deuteronomy 18 and Acts 23). The High Priest in the order of Melchezidic. The Messiah/Christ which would show that God had returned to His people and was once again with us…Immanuel. God is not a high priest. He is not a Messiah. He is not an apostle or a high priest. He is not a prophet. He is God and God alone and there is none beside Him. He is on the contrary, the One who sends forth His Messiah..His prophets..His apostles…etc. Consequently, there was a “son of God” who did claim to be God…his name was Satan and that didn’t work out too well for him. Jesus would never make that same mistake and to attribute such a thing to him is to accuse him of being a liar and blasphemous and guilty of the devils sin.
I loved your response and it was obviously highly educated and in good spirit. Thank you for clarifying everything.
It seems I was wrong, as part of the Holy Trinity, Jesus is divine therefore a God, I apologize.
Do you know when Jesus said, “before Abraham was, I am” means? Are you that dense to misunderstand something so obvious? He was stating that he was there before Abraham was even born. “Before my son was, I am.” I’m saying I was born before my son and that’s how Jesus was saying that
From what I can tell, “Before Abraham was, I am” means that before Abraham there was God.
The non-believing Jews go to stone Jesus because they knew he had caught them in their own trap for him. They tried to catch him because he said anyone who believed in the teachings of God would never die, so they were like hey remember Abraham dude? Well he’s dead. He gave us Gods teachings and he was a believer, so if he’s dead, then what gives? And Christ shoots back – Even Abraham rejoiced to hear God’s teaching. So the non-believing Jews are like, dude you’re not even 50 -how can you know what Abraham did or didnt think? He’s been dead for like ages!
To which Christ says the above quote, “Verily Verily I say unto you, before Abraham, I am” , meaning my teachings come from God, who came before Abraham. Surely Abraham lives.
The confusion stems from God referring to Himself as “I AM” and here, that makes it look like Christ is saying “I AM” meaning himself, when its just reminding the non-believers that God IS and ever has been and everything else, including death, is a lie.
I have tried over and over to get people to see exactly what you just said. “None is so blind as he who will not see”.
I would ask you the single most important point that has not been removed or altered in the Bible. Yes the Roman Catholic Church altered the Bible several times, about 400ad 800 to 1200ad and 1600 to 1800 ad..
WHY would Satan need to tempt GOD ?
Everything Satan offered already belongs to God the Father So it is pointless tempting GOD .
But to the SON it is not his until he is given Dominion over the world by his Heavenly Father.
In the Garden he prayed to his Father and counseled the Apostles, Do as Do and pray to My Father.
Yes! When Jesus says I am he is stating that he is the prophesy mentioned in Isaiah 53.
Isaiah 53:10 is not about Jesus
If Jesus is Almighty God…
1. Then why is “God head of Christ just as Christ is head of man”? (1 Cor. 11:3)
2. Then why does Scripture consistently phrase Jesus as a separate person from God? (John 20:17; John 14:1; Mark 10:18; John 17:1-3; etc. Also in heaven, 1 Cor. 11:3; Luke 22:69; etc.)
3. Then how can Jesus have a God? Could Almighty God have a God? (Mic. 5:4; Ps. 45:6, 7; 89:26; John 20:17; Rom. 15:6; 2 Cor. 1:3; Eph 1:3; Col 1:3; Mark 15:34; John 17:1-3; Also in heaven, Rev. 1:6; 3:2, 12)
4. Then why does Scripture say he was born and is part of Creation? (Col. 1:15)
5. Then why does Rev. 3:14 say that Jesus is “the beginning of the creation of God”?
6. Then why is he subject to GOD, like we’re subject to him? (1 Cor. 15:27, 28; Eph. 1:17)
7. Then why does Micah 5:2 say that Jesus’ ORIGIN was “from early times”?
8. Then why does Jesus not know what God knows? (Matt. 24:36, Rev.1:1; Luke 8:45)
9. Then why is Jesus still subject to God when he is as high as he will ever be? (1 Cor. 15:27, 28)
10. Then why does Proverbs 8:22-31 show that the Messiah was CREATED / PRODUCED by God?
11. Then why is he not powerful enough to subject things to himself? (1 Cor. 15:27, Eph. 1:17, 22)
12. Then why would he have to be given any power and authority? (Mt. 28:18; 11:27; Jn. 5:22; 17:2; 3:35; 2 Pet. 1:17)
13. Then why did he have to learn anything? (Heb. 5:8; John 5:19; 8:28)
14. Then why is speaking against him not as bad as speaking against the Holy Spirit? (Mt. 12:31,32; Luke 12:10)
15. Then why did Jesus call the “Father…the only true God”? (John 17:3)
16. Then why did he need to be saved? (Heb. 5:7; John 12:27)
17. Then why did he have to be exalted to Leader and Savior? (Acts 5:31)
18. Then how could he be exalted and given a higher name than he had? (Phil. 2:9-11; Heb. 1:2-4)
19. Then why did he have to be given life in himself? (John 5:25,26)
20. Then how can the Father be greater than he? (John 14:28)
21. Then how could Jesus be tempted by Satan when God cannot be tempted with evil? (James 1:13)
22. Then why did he worship the Father? (John 4:22)
23. Then why can he not do anything on his own? (John 5:19; 6:38)
24. Then why would he pray to anybody? (Luke 22:44; John 17:1,2; Heb. 5:7)
25. Then why do John 1:18 and 1 John 4:9 say that Jesus is God’s “only BEGOTTEN Son”? ASV
26. Then how can he be God’s servant? (Acts 4:26,27,30)
27. Then how could he receive strength from an angel? (Luke 22:43)
28. Then how could he be a mediator between God and man? (1 Tim. 2:5)
29. Then how could he be with God (ton theon)? (John 1:1)
30. Then how can he be God’s image? (Col. 1:15; Heb. 1:3)
31. Then why is he called the agency (dia) of creation and not the Originator (ek)? (1 Cor. 8:6; John 1:1-3; Prov. 8:30; Heb. 2:10; Col. 1:15,16)
32. Then why did Jesus say GOD was “good” in a way that Jesus was not? (Mark 10:18)
33. Then why does he have an archangel’s voice instead of God’s voice? (1 Thess. 4:16)
34. Then why is the only “worship” given to him the same given to humans? (Heb. 1:6, cf. Mt. 18:26; Rev. 3:9 – “Proskuneo”)
35. Then why do many who believe this rely on a few selected, so-called ‘proof-texts’ instead of the context of the consistent teaching of the entire Bible?
36. Then how could he be commanded to do anything? (John 12:49; Deut. 18:18)
37. Then why did Steven see two separate entities, GOD and Jesus, and not just one God or three persons? (Acts 7:55)
38. Then how could he be seen at GOD’s right hand? (Luke 22:69; Acts 7:55; Rom. 8:34)
39. Then how could Jesus be exalted (not to become God Himself, but) to the position of the “right hand OF God”? (Acts 2:33)
40. Then why would he have to receive a revelation from God? (Rev.1:1)
41. Then why is he called God’s “begotten” Son before he came to earth? (John 3:16; Gal. 4:4; 1 John 4:9)
42. Then how could he have a Father? (John 20:17)
43. Then how could he come in flesh? (1 Kings 8:27; Acts 17:24,25)
44. Then why did he not come in his own name? (John 5:41-44)
45. Then why did Jesus “come down from heaven to do” God’s will and not his own will? (Luke 22:42; John 6:38; John 5:30; John 8:42)
46. Then how could he appear before GOD? (Heb. 9:24)
47. Then how could he die? Can God die? Can part of God die? (Rom. 5:10; Acts 5:30; 1 Cor. 15:3; Hab.1:12; cf. 1 Tim. 6:16; Num. 23:19; Ps. 90:2; Dan. 6:25-26)
48. Then why is it that God resurrected Jesus? (Acts 2:32)
49. Then why can we see him if “no man has seen God at any time”? (John 1:18)
50. Then why is there not one clear Scripture where Jesus is called “God the Son,” (equal to those declaring “God, the Father)?
51. How is it that the Jews rounded up some false witnesses to make up lies to obtain a death sentence for Jesus, but neither the Jewish officials nor even one of these false witnesses made a claim that he was God or equally God? (Matt. 26:59-67)
52. John summed up his whole Gospel by saying that it was written that we may believe “that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God.” Why is there is no mention in that summary of the entire Gospel of what would be the most important thing of all – that Jesus is God? (John 20:31)
53. How could Jesus teach in the Jewish synagogues and the temple? This would never happen if any of the authorities believed he claimed to be God (or that his followers believed such a thing). – Matt. 26:55; John 7:14, 28. Matt. 4:23.
54. How could Jesus’ followers teach in Jewish synagogues after Jesus’ death and for the remainder of that first century (at least)? Again, this would not have been allowed if there were any suspicion that they believed Jesus to be God. Acts 9:20; 13:5, Acts 13:13-15.
Hi, Bane. This reply is directed specifically to you, and I hope you will take time to read it. I hope, also, that it comes to your ears with the same respect with which it leaves my mouth. 🙏
I think your questions are reasonable questions. All 54 of them. I don’t think they were probably asked with the intent of having a reasonable conversation, but rather of attempting to intimidate the opponent with a show of overwhelming force.
Nevertheless, I’ll respond reasonably, because I believe it honors my Lord to do so, and because it reflects the honor due you, as a person made in the image of God.
First, I have no agenda in this. I want the Scriptures to instruct and inform me, wherever that leads. I hope and trust you have the same conviction. If the Scriptures say plainly that Jesus is not God, I will take God’s word on the subject. If they say plainly that He is God, I’ll accept that as well. Otherwise, there’s no point in even examining the Scriptures. I’ve already made up my mind, and I will force the Scriptures into my mold regardless. Agreed?
Second, I note that in all your questions, you still did not address the seven passages, and the several other related passages, which I mentioned. Rather, you charged those who see the truth in them, as those who refuse to see the teaching of the rest of the Bible. And yet, those seven passages, my “proof-texts,” if you like, have not been addressed clearly by any of the responses here. They’ve been ignored, as though they don’t exist. Probably that is because they are so clear that there can be no cogent argument against them; so that if they are accepted at face value, they drive all 54 of your contrary questions into weak and pasty silence.
Third, in the interest of teachability, I gave serious and thoughtful consideration to your questions. Yes, all 54 of them. I tried to reason through them as though I took your position. And yet I found clear, biblical answers to all 54 of them.
Fourth, it would take more space here than I’m willing to devote to the subject.
And, quite frankly (and fifth), I see no need to respond to your specific passages until you have responded to mine.
So here is my proposition:
If there is another venue through which we can communicate, one where we can take all the time and space this important subject deserves, I would love to reason through your questions in writing, in some depth, contingent on you doing the same with the passages I cited. It would be a good conversation about a very important issue, and it would be good for both of us to have to go back to the Scriptures with no biases and no agendas.
To that end, I’ll give the first offering. Please feel free to contact me:
Except I didnt respond to you. My post is a new one. In fact you are responding to me. Big difference. No my questions are not to bully. In fact it is to show the OVER abundance of scriptures that point out he is NOT God Almighty. Was Jesus a diety? Yes. But he is not Almighty God.
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
Go to wikipedia and look up john 1:1 There are 20 other translations of the Bible where it says Jesus was A god. NOT Almighty God.
“No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.”
If no one has seen God at any time, and if Jesus is God, HOW are they seeing him?
“Thomas answered and said to Him [Jesus], “My Lord and my God!”
Go to the end of the chapter. It is summerized as SON OF GOD. Not God himself. JUST because Thomas got it wrong doesnt make Christ into GOD.
“…the Christ according to the flesh, who is over all, God blessed forever. Amen”
Wordplay trickery. The God blessed forever is a new thought. A new sentence. It is not saying Jesus is GOD.
“…looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus…”
Jesus is a great god. Just not the Almighty.
“But of the Son He [God] says,
‘Your throne, O God, is forever and ever…’”
Again Jesus is a god. But he is NOT the father.
“…by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ…”
(2 Peter 1:1)
Agree Bane. What confusion. Satan is a slippery serpent talking out both sides of his mouth thinking all is about him.
A fuller explanation is that Jesus is the “shaliah” of God Almighty. In other words, he is the “sent one” or agent of God but not God himself, from the Hebrew root word “shalach” which means “to send.” Jesus himself affirmed this multiple times as he stated the Father has “sent me.” In Hebrew understanding, this is known as the law of agency whereby an agent (Jesus) is sent by a principal (the one and only God) to represent the principal in all matters. The agent is given total power and authority by the principal to act on his behalf. Thus Jesus is as God, but he is not the eternal God. In Jewish law, this principle is enunciated as: “A man’s agent is like himself.” This is why Jesus is sometimes referred to as God without being God Almighty as a person’s agent is regarded as the person himself. Therefore, any act committed by a duly appointed agent is regarded as having been committed by the principal.
There are many examples of the law of agency in both the Older Testament and the Newer Testament, one example being Joseph as the shaliah of the Pharaoh in the OT. In the NT we have the example of the Roman centurion where in Matthew 8 it describes the “centurion” as meeting with Jesus in contrast to Luke 7 where this same event is described as the “Jewish elders” meeting with Jesus. The Matthean and Lukan accounts do not contradict each other, rather, they illustrate the law of agency where the Jewish elders (shaliah/agent) are sent on behalf of the centurion (principal) to act as the centurion’s representative with all the authority of the centurion, as if the centurion were there in person as himself.
BRAVO! Jesus never claimed to BE God.
Yes, you are right in this.
The Son of God never sought His own honour, but the Father does (John 8:50).
He who does not honour the Son does not honour the Father who sent Him (John 5:22, 23).
But as I said in my last answer, the Creator God Himself testifies to the Son of Man that He, as His Son, is also God (Psalm 45:6; Hebrews 1:8).
As your arm is smaller than you, so is the Son of God smaller than God the Father (Isaiah 52:10).
All knees will bow before Him when He returns in the glory of His Father with the holy angels (Mark 8:38).
wonderful, you should send this to every trinitarian. Trinitarians are like sheep, they don’t study the bible. Trinitas is not in bible. It was created outside the bible. It was a doctrine created by the early Christian fathers. You can’t create doctrines and say it is from God
From the discussions above it would be safe to assume that the New Testament of the Bible is contradictory since there are passages that say that Jesus is God and others that quote the same Jesus expressly saying he is a messenger of the Almighty God. These contradictions can be attributed to the fact that the scriptures were written by human beings who are not devoid of error. Looking at history many have come in the name of the Messiah but Jesus is the most widely accepted as such. whether he refers to himself or is referred to as a deity does NOT make him the ONE TRUE GOD. people worship all sorts of gods but the THE ONE TRUE GOD is eternal and is not born of a human woman. Therefore whichever argument you take, the one true God is and will always remain YAHWE the Almighty and Jesus is not He.
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
John 1:1 NIV (It Says the Word was God)
“The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.”
John 1:14 NIV (Says the word Became flesh and dwelled among us Jesus coming to earth)
“No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.”
John 1:18 NIV
“In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;”
Philippians 2:5-6 NIV (Paul says Jesus is equal to God which means he is God)
“I and the Father are one.””
John 10:30 NIV (Jesus says he and God the father are one)
“Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.” Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?” Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.””
John 8:56-58 NKJV (Jesus says he existed before Abraham and he says I AM the name God told Moses “God said to Moses, “I am who I am. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I am has sent me to you.’ ””
Exodus 3:14 NIV)
“So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.”
John 5:16-18 NIV
(John said that Jesus by calling himself the son he makes himself equal to God)
““I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.”
John 10:11 NIV
Jesus says he is the good shepherd
A title given to God
“The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.”
Psalm 23:1 KJV
Jesus said he would judge all people in the day of judgement
“And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man.”
John 5:27 NIV
And the Bible says only God can judge
“For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge His people.””
Hebrews 10:30 NASB1995
“For the Lord is our judge, the Lord is our lawgiver, the Lord is our king; it is he who will save us.”
Isaiah 33:22 NIV
Only God has all authority in heaven and on earth
“Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.”
Matthew 28:18 NIV
And it says all things were created through him and only through God we’re things created
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been
John 1:1-3 NIV
And he is praised by people but the Bible says only God can be praised
“that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,”
Philippians 2:10 NIV
“And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.””
Hebrews 1:6 NIV
“Fear the Lord your God, serve him only and take your oaths in his name.”
Deuteronomy 6:13 NIV
“Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’””
Matthew 4:10 NIV
“You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,”
Exodus 20:5 NIV
And in revelation Jesus said to John when he appeared to him
“When I saw Him, I fell at His feet like a dead man. And He placed His right hand on me, saying, “Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last,”
Revelation 1:17 NASB1995
And Also Jesus says
““I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.””
Revelation 1:8 NASB1995
““Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying. “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.””
Revelation 22:12-16 NASB1995
Greetings, non-trinitarian brothers and trinitarian brothers alike.
I am sure we all have our convictions as we seek to worship God in truth and honesty, this is good. Many debate, and whilst we should seek unity and love, it does show a comittment to seeking the truth of God’s word.
I myself as a non-trinitarian have written and indepth article investigating “Jesus’ godship”, and I compare side by side fairly arguments and scriptures for and against the trinity, whilst I have a conviction against the notion of Jesus being God, if others do not agree, then that is their free choice and is on their conscience.
However, I encourage anyone to read my article and see what they make of it, if it convinces you in one way or another way, let it be so. But I merely wanted to share the infomation.
I list scriptures in which on plain surface reading are directly “against” the notion of Jesus being YHVH, then I will list the scriptures which appear to be “for” on plain surface reading. Then I discuss “framworking”, as well as Biblical translations and root Hebrew/Greek words. All is discussed within the limits of “Sola Scriptura” (which means “the scriptures only”, refering to no outside philosophy, or other church writings on the matter). I also have a seperate article on the Holy Spirit too.
Thank you all for your time.
Hope you get some traffic =)
You shall have no other gods before me.
Blessed the peacemakers—because they will be called sons of God.
15 He says to them, “And you—who do you say I am?” 16 And Simon Peter answering said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus answering said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona, because flesh and blood did not reveal [it] to you, but My Father who is in the heavens.”
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Jesus Is Called “God with Us” His name is to be called Emmanuel, which means “God with us” (Matthew 1:23). “Emmanuel” describes the concept of the incarnation—God becoming man. Jesus being called “God with us” is consistent with John 1, which refers to Jesus as the Word who was with God, and who was God, and who became flesh (John 1:1, 14). Jesus Is Identified with Yahweh John the Baptist fulfills Isaiah 40 as he preaches the kingdom. “The voice of one crying in the wilderness: ‘Prepare the way of the Lord’” (Matthew 3:3). The one who was coming would be God himself. We can deduce that Jesus is Yahweh because John the Baptist, as the forerunner of Jesus, fulfills the Old Testament prediction that he would prepare the way for Yahweh (Isaiah 40:3). Jesus Healed or Performed Other Miracles In the gospels, we see that Jesus healed many people and demonstrated power over nature in other ways. The question is whether Jesus acted as God or simply as a prophet requesting the Father to perform the works. The words of Jesus and the reaction of those impacted by these miracles suggest that Jesus was acting as God and not simply as a prophet. He healed the demon possessed, epileptics, and paralytics (Matthew 4:23–24).The healings had to be accomplished with divine power. A leper came to worship Jesus, saying, “If you will, you can make me clean.” Jesus healed the leper by touching him and saying, “I will; be clean” (Matthew 8:3). Jesus did not refuse the worship of the leper; this means he must either be God or ungodly. His healing of the leper demonstrated that he was not ungodly, and it helped to prove that he is God himself. He healed many more who were sick, and cast out demons with a word (Matthew 8:5–17).
On a stormy night at sea, Jesus appears walking on the water toward the disciples’ boat. Peter asked Jesus if he could come meet him. Jesus said, “Come.” and Peter walked on the water until he began to be afraid. As he was sinking, he cried, “Lord, save me.” Jesus caught him and rebuked him for doubting (Matthew 14:22–31). Peter had enough faith in Jesus as “Lord” to be empowered to walk on water! When they got into the boat, the wind ceased (Matthew 14:32). The response of the disciples was that they worshipped him, calling him the Son of God (verse 33). They treated him as God because he acted as God. At Gennesaret, the men brought all who were sick, and they begged Jesus that they might only touch the hem of his garment. And as many as touched his garment were made well (Matthew 14:36). Here was divine power exuding from Jesus. When the woman with the issue of blood touched Jesus, he immediately knew “in himself that power had gone out from him” (Mark 5:30). Jesus sensed his divine energy being used, and the woman was healed of her disease. When Jesus healed the great multitude, “power came out from him and healed them all” (Luke 6:19). Jesus can be said to have healed because power went out from him to do the work. Raised the Dead Jesus raised Jairus’ daughter from the dead (Matt. 9:23-26), showing he had divine power over death. He also raised from the dead the son of the widow of Nain (Luke 7:14): another demonstration of his power over death. Showed Uniqueness in Wisdom and Divine Authority Matthew shows how Jesus exercised divine authority (or claims to) in
Matthew 5, 9, 10, 12, 21, and 22. Jesus taught the beatitudes in Matthew 5. He said that he came not to destroy the law but fulfill it. He taught that murder and adultery begin in the heart. He taught that marriage is sacred and binding. In doing so, he forbade oaths, said to go the second mile and to love your enemies (Matthew 5). Jesus clarified the law, emphasizing that it must be kept in the heart. The divine authority to do this is assumed. He called his disciples and gave them power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all kinds of sickness, and all kinds of disease (Matthew 10:1). He had the divine authority to give his disciples power over unclean spirits and disease.
Jesus went into the temple, driving out the money changers. He said to them, “It is written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer’” (Matthew 21:13). He certainly acted with authority here. Was he even suggesting that the temple was his house? Jesus silenced the Sadducees by the way he answered the question about the Resurrection (Matthew 22:23–33). Again we see the unique wisdom and authority of Jesus. No one could answer him, and from that day no one dared to question him anymore (Matthew 22:46). Jesus made a distinct impression on them as the authoritative Son of God. Jesus taught in the synagogue of his own country and the people there were astonished, saying, “Where did this man get this wisdom and these mighty works?” (Matthew 13:54). Jesus was unique in his wisdom and in his miracles. The Pharisees marveled at the way Jesus responded to their question about paying taxes to Caesar (Matthew 22:21). Jesus was unique in his wisdom and authority.
Accepted Worship Jesus accepted worship, after saying that only God is worthy of worship (Matthew 4:10). If he was a holy man who was not divine, he would have stopped people from worshipping him. Of course, it’s possible for someone to accept worship as a pretender, but Jesus backed up his own claims of deity, as pointed out many times in this article. A ruler came to worship him (Matthew 9:18–26). Since Jesus accepted this, he must have viewed himself as God. After Jesus walked on water, those in the boat came and worshipped him, saying, “Truly You are the Son of God” (Matthew 14:33). Their worship of him as God was an acknowledgement that he was acting as God in his miracles. While the women were on their way to tell the disciples that Jesus had risen from the dead, Jesus himself met them, saying “Greetings!” So they came and took hold of his feet and worshipped him (Matthew 28:9). Jesus was worshipped—as God. There’s no indication here that he tried to stop his worshippers from honoring him as God. Instead, he told them not to be afraid and asked them to go tell the disciples to meet up with him. When the disciples later saw Jesus, they worshipped him (Matthew 28:17). Again, Jesus received worship. In fact, he declared at that point that all authority in heaven and earth had been given to him (vs. 18). Jesus Showed Amazing Knowledge Jesus rebuked the cities in which he had done his mighty works, saying, “Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the mighty works done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes” (Matthew 11:21). Jesus showed that he had access to divine omniscience by knowing how people would have responded under different conditions.
Jesus knew thoughts (Matthew 12:25), a divine action. Jesus told two of his disciples, “Go into the village in front of you and immediately you will find a donkey tied, and a colt with her. Untie them and bring them to Me.” (Matthew 21:1–3). Jesus knew where the donkeys were. Jesus helped his disciples catch a huge load of fish by telling them to let down their nets for a catch (Luke 5:1–7). Jesus’ supernatural knowledge and power is active here. Jesus told one of the criminals he was crucified beside, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise” (Luke 23:43). Jesus was able to understand the heart of the criminal, give him the assurance of his salvation, and predict his future.
Jesus Predicted the Future Though the ability to accurately predict the future is not by itself proof of Jesus’ deity (God sometimes revealed the future to prophets who were mere humans), this knowledge of the future is what you would expect of someone who claimed to be God and backed it up with his miracles. If he were God, he would be able to predict the future. Jesus predicted to his disciples that he would go to Jerusalem, suffer at the hand of the Jewish leaders, be killed, and rise from the dead the third day (Matthew 16:21). Jesus knew the future. Jesus said that some would not die before they saw the Son of Man coming in his kingdom (Matthew
16:28). Jesus knew the future and predicted his glorification, or transfiguration. Again Jesus predicted his arrest, beatings, death, and Resurrection (Matthew 20:18). Jesus knew about these events beforehand. Jesus warned about false Christs and false prophets that would come. The true Son of Man would appear again like the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west (Matthew 24:3–28). Jesus predicted a tribulation after which the Son of Man would come in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Jesus said that at that time he would send his angels with the great sound of a trumpet and gather in the elect (Matthew 24:29–31). Not only did Jesus know what is going to happen in the future, but he also had the authority to send his angels and gather in the elect. The only one with that kind of authority would be God. At the Last Supper, Jesus accurately predicted that Judas would betray him (Matthew 26:20–25). Jesus predicted that Peter would deny him three times that night (Matthew 26:30–35). It happened as Jesus had predicted. Jesus predicted the destruction of Jerusalem and the great tribulation (Mark 13:2).\
Mark 1:2-3 As it is written in Isaiah the prophet, “Behold, I send my messenger before your face, who will prepare your way, the voice of one crying in the wilderness: ‘Prepare the way of the Lord, make his paths straight, Mark makes it clear that John’s coming to preach in the wilderness was a fulfillment of the following OT texts: Malachi 3:1 Behold, I send my messenger, and he will prepare the way before me. And the Lord (ha adon) whom you seek will suddenly come to his temple; and the messenger of the covenant in whom you delight, behold, he is coming, says the Lord of hosts.” Isaiah 40:3-5 A voice cries: “In the wilderness prepare the way of the Lord; make straight in the desert a highway for our God. Every valley shall be lifted up, and every mountain and hill be made low; the uneven ground shall become level, and the rough places a
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plain. And the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together, for the mouth of the Lord has spoken**.”
According to the above texts, an agent would be sent to prepare the people for the coming of Yahweh God to his own temple. Mark tells us that that agent was the John the Baptist. It’s clear that Jesus isn’t simply an agent who comes for God but that he is Yahweh Lord of Hosts who comes to his temple. The agent in Malachi is already presented in John the Baptist he is the agent who represents Yahweh so that he can come in his glory to his people. Early Writers clearly say this Irenaeus, AH (B.3, Ch.11) “By what God, then, was John, the forerunner, who testifies of the Light, sent [into the world]? Truly it was by Him, of whom Gabriel is the angel, who also announced the glad tidings of his birth: [that God] who also had promised by the prophets that He would send His messenger before the face of His Son, Malachi 3:1 who should prepare His way, that is, that he should bear witness of that Light in the spirit and power of Elias. Luke 1:17 But, again, of what God was Elias the servant and the prophe
confess. John, therefore, having been sent by the founder and maker of this world, how could he testify of that Light, which came down from things unspeakable and invisible?**,”
Clement of Alexandria, Exhortation to the Heathen (Ch. 1) “In a word, we may say, The beseeching voice of the Word crying in the wilderness. What do you cry, O voice? Tell us also. Make straight the paths of the Lord . Isaiah 40:3 John is the forerunner, and that voice the precursor of the Word; an inviting voice, preparing for salvation — a voice urging men on to the inheritance of the heavens, and through which the barren and the desolate is childless no more. This fecundity the angel’s voice foretold; and this voice was also the precursor of the Lord preaching glad tidings to the barren woman, as John did to the wilderness.”
· Clement of Alexandria, Exhortation to the Heathen (Ch. 1) “In a word, we may say, The beseeching voice of the Word crying in the wilderness. What do you cry, O voice? Tell us also. Make straight the paths of the Lord . Isaiah 40:3 John is the forerunner, and that voice the precursor of the Word; an inviting voice, preparing for salvation — a voice urging men on to the inheritance of the heavens, and through which the barren and the desolate is childless no more. This fecundity the angel’s voice foretold; and this voice was also the precursor of the Lord preaching glad tidings to the barren woman, as John did to the wilderness.”
· John further proclaimed that Jesus would actually baptize people with/in the Holy Spirit, e.g. Christ will grant the Holy Spirit to all who believe in him, which is a work that only Yahweh carries out according to the OT writings Mark 1:8 “I have baptized you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.” Old Testament verses proclaim Yahweh to do this divine act “I will take you from the nations and gather you from all the countries and bring you into your own land. I will sprinkle clean water on you, and
you shall be clean from all your uncleannesses, and from all your idols I will cleanse you. And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules. You shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers, and you shall be my people, and I will be your God.” Ezekiel 36:24-28 – cf. 37:12-14; 39:29 “Then you will know that I am in the midst of Israel, that I am Yahweh your God, and that there is no other; never again will my people be shamed. And afterward, I will pour out MY Spirit on all flesh. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions. Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out MY Spirit in those days. I will show wonders in the heavens and on the earth, blood and fire and billows of smoke. The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and dreadful day of Yahweh. And everyone who calls on the name of Yahweh will be saved; for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be deliverance, as Yahweh has said, even among the survivors whom Yahweh calls.” Joel 2:27-32 – Psalm 104:29-30; Isaiah 30:8; 32:14-15; 34:16; 44:1-3; 59:19-21
· Hence, in order for Jesus to be able to grant his followers the Holy Spirit he must be Yahweh God Incarnate. // // If Jesus is God according to the NT Scriptures we would therefore expect to find him doing that which Yahweh alone can do, namely, pardon sinners and do things exclusive to
Yahweh Mark 2:5;7,10 “5.And when Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, “Son, your sins are forgiven.”…7.Why does this man speak like that? He is blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?”…10. But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins” We See Christ forgiving sins and claiming that he has the authority on earth to forgive sins just as his father does in heaven. We see God forgiving sins alone in the OT Isaiah 43:25 “I, even I, am he who blots out your transgressions, for my own sake, and remembers your sins no more.” Micah 7:18:-19 “Who is a God like you, who pardons sin and forgives the transgression of the remnant of his inheritance? You do not stay angry forever but delight to show mercy. You will again have compassion on us; you will tread our sins underfoot and hurl all our iniquities into the depths of the sea.” Daniel 9:9 “To the Lord our God belong mercy and forgiveness, for we have rebelled against him” If it’s not clear enough Jesus Christ has Divine prerogative to Forgive sins and remove transgressions here are some Church fathers and Scholars
· “… Jesus addresses the paralytic with ‘Man’ for a wordplay with ‘the Son of Man,’ which he’ll use for himself shortly (5:24). The point of the wordplay will be that as a human being Jesus has forgiven the sins of a fellow human being… Who has forgiven his sins, though? Jesus hasn’t said. But the scholars and Pharisees take him to mean that he himself has forgiven the paralytic’s sins and therefore consider his statement
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blasphemous, since in their view God alone can forgive sins. Jesus has made only one statement, so that we expect the scholars and Pharisees to accuse him of ‘blasphemy’ (singular). But they’re so outraged that they accuse him of ‘blasphemies’ (plural), as though every word of his statement constituted a discrete blasphemy. Supposedly, these blasphemies consisted in Jesus’ arrogating to himself an exclusively divine prerogative, that of forgiving sins. Such an arrogation slanders God, they reason, by verbally robbing him of an authority that he alone possesses. (‘Blasphemy’ means ‘slander.’)… So Jesus sets about to prove that as the Son of Man (about which self-designation see the comments on Mark 2:10-11) he has authority on earth to forgive sins just as God has such authority in heaven. In other words, Jesus agrees with the scholars and Pharisees that his saying, ‘Man, your sins are forgiven for you,’ meant that he, Jesus, had claimed to forgive them…” (Robert H. Gundry, Commentary on the New Testament: Verse-by-Verse Explanations with a Literal Translation [Baker Academic, Grand Rapids, MI 2010], p. 245; bold emphasis ours) // //
· John Chrysostom, Homilies of Hebrew (H.5
For this too ought to have taken place first, and for this purpose He came, to save them and then through them the rest, although the contrary came to pass. This also the Apostles said at the first, To you [God] having raised up His Son, sent [Him] to bless you Acts 3:26: and again, To you was the word of this Salvation sent. Acts 13:26 Here he shows the noble birth of the Jews, in saying, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. For a while he speaks in this way. For that it is He who forgives the sins of all men, He declared both in the case of the paralytic, saying, Your sins are forgiven”
· Ambrose, Exposition of the Christian Faith, (Book III, Ch.4) “The Lord’s Cross, then, is my wisdom; the Lord’s Death my redemption; for we are redeemed with His precious blood, as the Apostle Peter has said. 1 Peter 1:19 With His blood, then, as man, the Lord redeemed us, Who also, as God, has forgiven sins. Mark 2:8-12” // // To continue in Mark 2, Christ does something that is clearly stated as to be Only to The God of Israel Mark 2:8 “And immediately Jesus, perceiving in his spirit that they thus questioned within themselves, said to them, “Why do you question these things in your hearts?” The Scriptures are crystal clear that this act of knowledge is exclusive to God alone Psalms 44:21 “Would not God find this out? For He knows the secrets of the heart.” 1 Kings 8:38-39 “whatever prayer or supplication is made by any man or by all Your people Israel, each knowing the affliction of his own heart,
spreading his hands toward this house; then hear in heaven Your dwelling place, and forgive and act and render to each according to all his ways, whose heart You know, for You ALONE know the hearts of all the sons of men,”
· Christ is claiming to be God of all who proclaims and shows them his deity by proclaiming what they knew in their hearts, some of the greatest commentaries of the early church see this aswell John Chrysostom, [Homily on the Paralytic Let Down
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Through the Roof] “If then any one else appears thus doing the same thing He also is God, God even as that one is God. But let us observe how Christ argues with them, how meekly and gently, and with all
tenderness. And behold some of the scribes said within themselves: this man blasphemes. They did not utter the word, they did not proclaim it through the tongue, but reasoned in the secret recesses of their heart. How then did Christ act? He made public their secret thoughts before the demonstration which was concerned with the cure of the paralytic’s body, wishing to prove to them the power of His Godhead. For that it is an attribute of God alone, a sign of His deity to show the secrets of His mind, the Scripture says Thou alone know men’s hearts. 1 Kings 8:39”
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· Onto the Next, we see more passages such as Mark 2:28 “So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.” Christ is clear on what he’s saying that he is Lord of the Sabbath because as seen in many places as in Mark Ch.8, 9, 10 that Christ is the Son of Man. He says that the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath. The context is that his disciples were picking grain on the Sabbath, which was against the Law of
Moses. Jesus is claiming the ability to restore God’s law to its original intent and be the one who is the Law Giver (ie. God) – he shows that the Sabbath was made for the benefit of people, not to enslave man or burden them. Mark isn’t applying this title to Everyman that would be ludicrous, every-time in Mark the title “Υἱὸς ἀνθρώπου” is used it’s undoubtedly used for The Lord Christ. The previous passage in Mark 2:27 is not said by Christ so that he can demonstrate that all men are lord of the sabbath but that the Pharisees were wrongly applying the law and burdening man with the Sabbath. Jesus did not say that man is in control of the Sabbath the OT clearly refuted this Numbers 15:32-36 “While the Israelites were in the desert, a man was found gathering wood on the Sabbath day. Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly, and they kept him in custody, because it was not clear what should be done to him. Then the LORD said to Moses, ‘The man must die. The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp.’ So the assembly took him outside the camp and stoned him to death, as the LORD commanded Moses.” If man was Master of the Sabbath why stone the man doing labor? I thought he was a master of the Sabbath doing as he wishes? As it’s clear that man isn’t master of the Sabbath, what blasphemy it would be to say such a thing. // //
The OT clearly states who is authoritative of the Sabbath Isaiah 58:13 If you turn back your foot from the Sabbath, from doing your pleasure on my holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight and the holy day of the Lord honorable; Leviticus 23:3 “There are six days when you may work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, a day of sacred assembly. You are not to do any work; wherever you live, it is a Sabbath to the LORD.”
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Numbers 16:25 Moses said, “Eat it today, for today is a Sabbath to the Lord; today you will not find it in the field. It should be clear from the foregoing that Jesus’ point wasn’t that man could do what he wanted on the Sabbath because he was its ruler. Rather, what Jesus was saying is that the Sabbath was not designed to enslave man but to benefit him by allowing him to refrain from work so as to focus his energies on worshiping God. And, as the Divine Son of Man, Christ had the complete authority to define what constituted resting on the Sabbath and what acts violated it. Here’s some commentary of the Early Church on these passages
· Cyril of Alexandria, Commentary on Luke (Sermons 12-25) “He replies, the God of all did not enact the law of the sabbath for Himself, but for us rather, whose neck is bowed to it. Thou sayest well; I assent to thy words; therefore that which is divine is free from the compulsion of the law. Why, then, dost thou blame Christ for wishing also to shew mercy on the sabbath, and benefit a living soul? And were it our wish to examine closely the law enacted for the sabbath, we should find it ordained by God for purposes of mercy
For He commanded to/ do no work on the sabbath, and entirely to abstain from labour, and even to give rest at the same time to the irrational animals. For He said, that its purpose was, “that thy manservant may rest, and thy maidservant, thy ox, and thy beast of burden, and all thy cattle.” But He Who has mercy on the ox and other animals, how would not He pity on the sabbath day a man who was attacked by a severe and irremediable malady?” Ambrose, (Exposition of the Christian Faith, Book V.204) “Could the Lord be ignorant of a day Who Himself said of Himself that the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath?” Tertullian, Against Marcion, B.4, Ch.12) “By God, however, would that be done which the man Christ was to do, for He was likewise God…. the Sabbath forbade—even human works; and what it enjoined—even divine works, which might be done for the benefit of any soul, He was called “Lord of the Sabbath,” because He maintained the Sabbath as His own institution. Now, even if He had annulled the Sabbath, He would have had the right to do so, as being its Lord, (and) still more as He who instituted it.” Novation, On the Trinity (Ch.11) “And in the same manner as He is as man the Son of David, so as God He is proclaimed David’s Lord. And in the same manner as He was made as man under the law, so as God He is declared to be Lord of the Sabbath.”
· Next Point in Mark is in Mark 3:9-12
And he told his disciples to have a boat ready for him because of the crowd, lest they crush him, for he had healed many, so that all who had diseases pressed around him to touch him. And whenever the unclean spirits saw him, they fell down before him and cried out, “You are the Son of God.” And he strictly ordered them not to make him known.” Mark 5:4-5 And when he saw Jesus from afar, he ran and fell down before him. And crying out with a loud voice, he said, “What have you to do with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I adjure you by God, do not torment me.” From the previous passage you can see how the evil spirits react to Jesus
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Christ when he comes near them, they have utter fear of him and the fall before him and worship (προσκυνέω/proskuneó) him. Is this just a reverence for him? No the word προσκυνέω is used for divine worship all over such as in (Matthew 4:8-10, Acts 10:25-26, Revelation 19:10 etc.)
clearly it’s context which determines weather it is divine worship or just reverence. It should be very clear from the context this is divine worship. Satan himself is bowing down in utter fear begging for mercy. When has a demon bowed down to anyone but God himself? The demons see Jesus coming and keep in mind this is the first time this group of demons have witnessed Jesus, and they immediately recognized him, fall to the ground and worship him. They also realize that he has the power to send them to eternal torment. Here are some early church Fathers on this //
· Athanasius, On the Incarnation (Ch.15) For if they looked with awe upon the Creation, yet they saw how she confessed Christ as Lord; or if their mind was swayed toward men, so as to think them gods, yet from the Saviour’s works, supposing they compared them, the Saviour alone among men appeared Son of God; for there were no such works done among the rest as have been done by the Word of God. 5. Or if they were biassed toward evil spirits, even, yet seeing them cast out by the Word, they were to know that He alone, the Word of God, was God, and that the spirits were none.” Clearly the use of the phrase Son of God in Mark isn’t just in a “general sense” but that Christ is the eternal Som of God who the demons confess him to be since the beginning. If it’s just a regular sense why does the scriptures say “And he strictly ordered them not to make him known.” If the term Son of God was just in a general sense and not in the exclusive divine sense. // /
· John Chijioke Iwe says, On the occasion of Jesus’ baptism, God, the divine voice from heaven, confirms that Jesus is his beloved Son: Σὺ εἶ ὁ υἱός μου ὁ ἀγαπητός ἐν ὦ εὐδόκησα – <> (1:11). And this is addressed to Jesus himself, adding
audition on top of vision to heighten Jesus’ awareness. It is generally accepted that ἀγαπητός (<>) can also mean <> or <> (יָחִ֖יד in Hebrew), and may be because an only son is naturally beloved36. Thus, <>37. Here then we are not concerned about a function, but a relation; not about an event but a state. On the other hand, <>38. There is thus a new and vital relationship to God which transcends Messiahship as it was understood in Jewish thought. In fact, <>39. Thus, the words of the divine
voice in Mk 1:11 (as against Ps.2) stands on itself and expresses a state, a stable relation, the relation of Jesus to God, which one presents as the personal relation of <>40. Hence God enters into Jesus’ story, as a character, to confirm the special and unique relationship existing between himself and Jesus, before he begins his messianic mission. (Jesus In the Synagogue of Capernaum: The Pericope and It’s Programmatic Character for the Gospel of Mark: An Exegetico-Theological Study of Mk 1:21-28 (Rome, Italy: Gregorian University Press, 1999), pp. 172-173).
· If it’s not clear Jesus isn’t just a “Son” in a regular sense but Son by nature to the Father, the unique Son of God who has all that his father has. Son of God in Mark is used as a divine title for Christ in the most clearest way, this is precisely why Jesus commands the evil spirit to not make the title of Christ known. Next up is in Mark 4 Mark 4:39-42 And he awoke and rebuked the wind and said to the sea, “Peace! Be still!”And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm. 40 He said to them, “Why are you so afraid? Have you still no faith?” 41 And they were filled with great fear and said to one another, “Who then is this, that even the wind and the sea obey him?” Christ the Lord of All creation is sovereign over everything and he demonstrated this to his very apostles, the they ask “Who then is this, that even the wind and the sea obey him?” It’s clear that they knew no mere man can do such an act because this is once again an exclusive divine prerogative as stated in the OT Psalm 107:28–30 Then they cried to the Lord in their trouble, and he delivered them from their distress. He made the storm be still,
and the waves of the sea were hushed. Then they were glad that the waters were quiet, and he brought them to their desired haven. Psalms 65:6-8 “the one who by his strength established the mountains, being girded with might; who stills the roaring of the seas, the roaring of their waves, the tumult of the peoples, so that those who dwell at the ends of the earth are in awe at your signs.” If it hasn’t been shockingly clear Jesus is demonstrating that he is the one who leads his people out of distress and calms the waves (AKA. God all mighty) Marks Gospel was written in for the church in Rome, if they had any familiarity with the Psalms, they would’ve picked up what he was laying down.
· If it’s not clear Jesus isn’t just a “Son” in a regular sense but Son by nature to the Father, the unique Son of God who has all that his father has. Son of God in Mark is used as a divine title for Christ in the most clearest way, this is precisely why Jesus commands the evil spirit to not make the title of Christ known. Next up is in Mark 4 Mark 4:39-42 And he awoke and rebuked the wind and said to the sea, “Peace! Be still!”And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm. 40 He said to them, “Why are you so afraid? Have you still no faith?” 41 And they were filled with great fear and said to one another, “Who then is this, that even the wind and the sea obey him?” Christ the Lord of All creation is sovereign over everything and he demonstrated this to his very apostles, the they ask “Who then is this, that even the wind and the sea obey him?” It’s clear that
they knew no mere man can do such an act because this is once again an exclusive divine prerogative as stated in the OT Psalm 107:28–30 Then they cried to the Lord in their trouble, and he delivered them from their distress. He made the storm be still, and the waves of the sea were hushed. Then they were glad that the waters were quiet, and he brought them to their desired haven. Psalms 65:6-8 “the one who by his strength established the mountains, being girded with might; who stills the roaring of the seas, the roaring of their waves, the tumult of the peoples, so that those who dwell at the ends of the earth are in awe at your signs.” If it hasn’t been shockingly clear Jesus is demonstrating that he is the one who leads his people out of distress and calms the waves (AKA. God all mighty) Marks Gospel was written in for the church in Rome, if they had any familiarity with the Psalms, they would’ve picked up what he was laying down.
In Luke/Acts Jesus is depicted as the Son of Man who rides the clouds and sits at God’s right hand: “But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God; and he said, ‘Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing at the right hand of God.” Acts 7:55-56 “And then they will see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.” Luke 21:27 “When day came, the assembly of the elders of the people gathered together, both chief priests and scribes; and they led him away to their council, and they said, ‘If you are the Christ, tell us.’ But he said to them, ‘If I tell you, you will not believe; and if I ask you, you will not answer. But from now on the Son of man shall be seated ay the right hand of the power of God.’ And they all said, ‘Are you the Son of God, then?” And he said to them, ‘You say that I am.’ And they said, ‘What further testimony do we need? We have heard it ourselves from his own lips.'” Luke 22:66-71
Jesus claiming to be the Lord whom David spoke of in Psalm 110:1, “The LORD says to my Lord: ‘Sit at my right hand, till I make your enemies your footstool.'” – cf. Luke 20:41-44 He is also identifying himself as the Son of Man that the prophet Daniel saw in his vision: “I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a Son of man, and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him. And to him was given dominion and glory and kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed.” Daniel 7:13-14 Daniel’s Son of Man is clearly a Divine Being appearing as a man since he is worshiped by all the nations and reigns forever like God, “And the kingdom and the dominion and the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven shall be given to the people of the saints of the Most High; his kingdom shall be an everlasting kingdom,and all dominions shall serve/worship and obey him.” Daniel 7:27 And even rides the clouds like God! “An oracle concerning Egypt. Behold, the LORD is riding on a swift cloud and comes to Egypt; and the idols of Egypt will tremble at his presence, and the heart of the Egyptians will melt within them.” Isaiah 19:1
Wow. What a load of crap you posted. All if it wrong mind you. Are you trying to bully this site by posting a gone with the wind type post? Most of what you already typed has been disproven above nimrod.
Proof Jesus isn’t God.
JOHN 10: 33
“The jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for Blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makes Thyself God.
Jesus answered them, is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
If he called them gods, unto whole the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, “whom the father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, THOU BLASPHEMEST; BECAUSE I SAID, I AM THE SON OF GOD?”
See how all of you, just as the Jews are trying to say that Jesus is God? And Jesus answered them and told them, HE IS THE SON OF GOD. Is it no one can see that proof, you’re on your own. Good luck on judgment day!
GOD,the Father of Jesus says- “I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put MY words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I SHALL COMMAND HIM.God has always “Spoken through” the Prophets.Jesus always spoke on behalf of his Father.He was SENT,like an Ambassador,to the lost sheep of Israel.
being son of God ,does not simply divinity. We are all sons of God.
We have been given the right to be called Sons (daughters) of God … Jesus is THE Son of God .. The Son of God … Big difference.
Proof Jesus isn’t god, god doesn’t exist, therefore Jesus is not code.
A lot of things are being said here. Here’s a historian’s view and what I think is a simpler explanation… https://www.npr.org/2014/04/07/300246095/if-jesus-never-called-himself-god-how-did-he-become-one#
I feel compassion for all of you. God is love. Period. All else is fear coming from our minds however it got there. We are only born with 2 fears (sound and falling learned later) everything else has implanted by others and false beliefs…Start over from Gods Spirit in us a child. It’s deep within…We are all forgiven and loved. No need to fear death or anything. We are guided.
From Gods Spirit in us “as a child” it’s deep within. It’s what keeps us Alive
Thank you! God is God, Jesus is Jesus, and everything you have written and quoted makes sense and resonates. Your article is very much appreciated.
When the 70 disciples whom the Lord Jesus had sent out returned with joy, it is said of the Lord Jesus shortly afterwards:
Lukas 10 (KJ 1769)
21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth,
that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes:
even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.
22 All things are delivered to me of my Father:
and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father;
and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.
23 And he turned him unto his disciples, and said privately,
Blessed are the eyes which see the things that ye see:
The only true Creator God, who revealed Himself in a human being, stands before the disciples.
The Creator God recognised the first human being from above even before the foundation of the world.
That is, God knew that this man begotten of Him would be ready to do His will (promised in Psalm 40; confirmed in Hebrews 10:9,10), namely to become the Lamb of God and take away the sins of the world (John 1:29). God, knew that He would glorify Him highly when He would give His life to take it again.
This was such a joy to God that He made all creation because of this man and for Him.
And God gave Him all authority over it (Matthew 28:18).
The Son of God is all-powerful! God loves His Son above all.
He made Him His Christ (Acts 2:36), exalted Him to be Lord over all, entrusted all judgement to Him and Himself bore witness to Him several times (Mark 1:11; 9:7) when He was still on earth as the last Adam (1 Corinthians 15:45).
God also made His Son the eternal High Priest, according to the order of Melchisedec.
Behold how great he was, to whom even Abraham gave tithes of the spoils (Hebrews 7:4).
Behold how great He is, in whom was and is YHWH of hosts, who became a life-giving Spirit (1 Corinthians 15:45). He may even call Himself before the Father when He said:
“I and the Father are One”. Thus He is also already promised as the “Father of eternity” (Isaiah 9:5).
He is not only the key, but the door to the narrow way to heaven, to the dwellings of all those who now already have Him as the precious Head. He has shown and opened the way to the only true God. He has completely conquered the enemy through His death, and He has the keys of death and the hades.
His sonship is also eternal, but the Son of God will Himself be subject to Him who subjected all(s) to Him (1 Corinthians 15:28).
If the translation is correct, the Creator God calls His Son God when He speaks of His exaltation above the angels and His reintroduction into the inhabited world: Hebrews 1:6-8.
Nor does the Lord Jesus contradict Thomas when he confesses, “My Lord and my God” (John 20:28). Unlike Philip (John 14:8), Thomas recognised God the Father in the Son of Man when he saw Him. Romans 9:1-5 is also important in this regard.
Let us even now give all the glory to the Father and the Son, the Lamb of God! (Revelation 5:8, 13; 7:10)
Jesus (YHWH is Saviour) Christ came in the flesh (1 John 4:2,3). Take heed that His name is not mispronounced! (The vowels of YHWH have not been handed down! They are not given to us!).
If you want you can also read about it on „nurEiner.de“ (also in English)
1 Thessalonians 5 (KJ 1769)
23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Guenter Josef with family
(Translated also using DeepL)
Brother,Believe me- it’s your fear that is not allowing you to see the Truth.Jesus,so proud of his Father, says “This is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.Since his Father is the ONLY true God,any other Deity would be a false god.This is what Jesus is telling you! The fact that Jesus was given any kind of Authority means he is now God? In what sense can the Father be greater then the son,yet the two be equal? Fact,Jesus freely confessed his knowledge was limited regarding “Of that day and hour”,etc.Honor thy Mother and Father.My Father will always be my Father,Iam proud to say I’m his son.You should too
‘ONLY’ true God. Expand on that a little, Jim. Who was/is the only true God that Jesus referred to.
Is it the God that can’t find Adam in Eden because he’s hiding out of shame and fear? Or the God that ‘moved around’ in camp so much that Moses instructed his men to dig a hole for excrement outside of camp? How about the God who preferred Abel’s fats to Cain’s fruits? Or the God who literally wrestled with Jacob. Is it the God that told Moses how he likes his steak cooked? Is it one of the Gods in the original creation story of Genesis or the second creation story of Genesis?
To me, Jesus was the Holy Spirit in human form. One could argue quite effectively that he’s not even the only example of such in history. This in no way detracts from the monumental significance of Jesus as a martyr who died to show us the path to God. I pray to him daily.
I think the bigger question that no one wants to ask is did Jesus believe that the god of the Old Testament/Torah was GOD. Call him Allah or Yahweh or whatever you’d like. Was Jesus referring to this physical being (who walked the earth with men in physical form; easily probable in scripture) when he referred to ‘Father’? I very much believe that he was not, and I’m perfectly ready and willing to cite numerous scriptural passages to support my belief. Jesus was here to right a wrong (an error committed by Moses) and to teach humanity the path. I’d like to see an article on this forum about this question.
Hello to all, instead of discussing if Jesus is God or not. Is it safe to say we all believe in Jesus Christ.
Let’s discuss the purpose and why Jesus came.
“And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;”
Matthew 27:51 KJV
“and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”
Matthew 27:52-53 KJV
Why is this important?
Because, Isaiah told this to Lucifer what will happen, before Jesus was born.
Jesus not only Rose from the dead on the third day, but freed all the saints that was waiting on Jesus Christ to free them.
Look what Isaiah said to Lucifer!
“How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; that made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?”
Isaiah 14:12-17 KJV
Before Jesus laid his life down for his vessels (his chosen ones, before the foundation of this world) when Jesus children died (the sons and daughters of GOD) they did not go to hades, they went into the Paradise of God, awaiting for the coming of Jesus Christ.
Therefore, Jesus was born in this planet that we all live in. Jesus had to learn obedient etc. Then Jesus laid his life down and was dead for three days. Then Jesus returned on the third day. That’s the second time Jesus returned to this planet and Jesus stayed for another 40 days in the fleshly body, then Jesus returned back to the new heavens, as John describes in revelation.
“And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.”
Acts 1:10-11 KJV
I’ll paraphrase: Like manner, what does that mean. Paul is a perfect example. Was Paul looking to get saved by Jesus, the answer is no. Was Paul looking to get baptized and wanted to accept Jesus as his Lord and personal Savior, the answer is no! If Paul caught any man or woman practicing Christianity, Paul would bring them before the synagogue and have them prosecuted to death. Paul was a dangerous man. Although Paul was the chosen vessel before the foundation of this world, imagine that. Jesus is light and satan is darkness. The light stoled Paul out of darkness, that’s why it’s been written that Jesus comes like a thief in the night.
My point, no one gets to accept Jesus Chris as Lord and personal savior. We don’t pick Christ. He has already chosen his vessels before the foundation of this world. Jesus picks who he wanted to be part of his kingdom.
Since we got all that out of the way.
Let’s talk reality. Let’s pretend we are all together in church.
We all believe Jesus one way or the other. Things are going great in our life’s.
We’ll sing praises that we want to be like Jesus. We feel safe and secure.
Then suddenly one of us has a disaster that came in our lives.
What does most people do in church when this happens, does the people shy away from that individual and his family. Sadly the answer is yes, why do people think this way. Because people think and say that person has sin in his/her life. That’s the short answer, by the way.
People go to church for many different reasons, many in my life has said, the reason they go to church to bring up there children in a better environment and it’s good for business. Many goes to church because they have conviction. Others goes to church because they really believe Jesus is going to return someday, called the second coming of Christ and people really want to go to a better world.
Regardless of the reason why people goes to church, the people sing praises and say the words I want to be like Christ.
What does it mean when a person or person male or female has a sudden disaster in their lives. It’s means that person life is no longer belongs to the darkness. That person just been born again and that is why that person had the disaster. Because now they are a born again, child of GOD and the world hates them and they struggle until someone explains what took place in that person life.
Paul was dead in Christ until Jesus converted him as a child of GOD, being born again.
Scripture: “Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)”
Galatians 1:1 KJV
Scripture: “Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timotheus our brother,”
Colossians 1:1 KJV
TAKE NOTICE: not the will of man!
Scripture: “Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God’s elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;”
Titus 1:1 KJV
Notice Paul admits he is a servant.
Scripture: “Paul, a prisoner of Jesus Christ, and Timothy our brother, unto Philemon our dearly beloved, and fellowlabourer,”
Philemon 1:1 KJV
Notice Paul said he is a prisoner of Jesus Christ. A prisoner means he has been captured by Jesus Christ.
James admits he is a servant.
Let’s discuss Marry, her life was doing well, until the Holy Spirit came upon her and told her she was going to have a child of GOD and his name would be Jesus. Now why would anyone think that would be a sudden disaster in Marry life. Because Marry was engaged to man name Joseph and she had to go back home and not face her soon to be husband but her mom and dad and the Community. In this days if a woman was pregnant out of wedlock, they stone them to death. So I ask all the men, if your engaged to the love of your life and she came home pregnant and she said I’m going to have GOD baby and his name will be Jesus. What’s your first response, Who are you been screwing and you probably use some profanity and be very angry. That’s the holly spirit came to Joseph to explain things.
Joseph had to get her out of there and on the way to Jerusalem over two thousand babies were murdered trying to kill Jesus! Further, Marry had to watch her actual son she gave birth to hang on the cross.
Paul writes these letters as though, he knows by having for knowledge, the question the children of GOD will have in the future and further gives the answers to many.
“But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. For they that sleep, sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.”
1 Thessalonians 5:1-11 KJV
Copied and pasted from someone else’s post. They make the argument better than I can.
Some who deny that Jesus is God make the claim that Jesus never said that He is God. It is correct that the Bible never records Jesus saying the precise words, “I am God.” This does not mean, however, that Jesus never claimed to be God.
Is Jesus God? — Jesus claimed to be God.
Take for example the words of Jesus in John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.” We need only to look at the Jews’ reaction to His statement to know He was claiming to be God. They tried to stone Him for this very reason: “You, a mere man, claim to be God” (John 10:33, emphasis added). The Jews understood exactly what Jesus was claiming—deity. When Jesus declared, “I and the Father are one,” He was saying that He and the Father are of one nature and essence. John 8:58 is another example. Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth … before Abraham was born, I am!” This is a reference back to Exodus 3:14 when God revealed Himself as the “I AM.” The Jews who heard this statement responded by taking up stones to kill Him for blasphemy, as the Mosaic Law commanded (Leviticus 24:16).
Is Jesus God? — His followers declared Him to be God.
John reiterates the concept of Jesus’ deity: “The Word [Jesus] was God” and “the Word became flesh” (John 1:1, 14). These verses clearly indicate that Jesus is God in the flesh. Acts 20:28 tells us, “Be shepherds of the church of God, which He bought with His own blood.” Who bought the church with His own blood? Jesus Christ. And this same verse declares that God purchased His church with His own blood. Therefore, Jesus is God.
Thomas the disciple declared concerning Jesus, “My Lord and my God” (John 20:28). Jesus does not correct him. Titus 2:13 encourages us to wait for the coming of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ (see also 2 Peter 1:1). In Hebrews 1:8, the Father declares of Jesus, “But about the Son He says, ‘Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.’” The Father refers to Jesus as God, indicating that Jesus is indeed God.
In Revelation, an angel instructed the apostle John to only worship God (Revelation 19:10). Several times in Scripture Jesus receives worship (Matthew 2:11; 14:33; 28:9, 17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38). He never rebukes people for worshiping Him. If Jesus were not God, He would have told people to not worship Him, just as the angel in Revelation did. Beyond these, there are many other passages of Scripture that argue for Jesus being God.
Is Jesus God? — The reason Jesus must be God.
The most important reason that Jesus must be God is that, if He is not God, His death would not have been sufficient to pay the penalty for the sins of the world (1 John 2:2). A created being, which Jesus would be if He were not God, could not pay the infinite penalty required for sin against an infinite God. Only God could pay such an infinite penalty. Only God could take on the sins of the world (2 Corinthians 5:21), die, and be resurrected, proving His victory over sin and death.
Is Jesus God? Yes. Jesus declared Himself to be God. His followers believed Him to be God. The provision of salvation only works if Jesus is God. Jesus is God incarnate, the eternal Alpha and Omega (Revelation 1:8; 22:13), and God our Savior (2 Peter 1:1).
the Christians have twisted the old testament. the messiah would be a man. God is spirit and is unchanging. He creates but is not created. God cannot die. People say that God is 3 persons. Has God ever told anyone that he is 3 persons. Have you heard the father praying to the son?. Is there a mention in the bible of holy spirit praying to Jesus. I tire if this nonsense. People just can’t think straight
Cults don’t believe Jesus God in the flesh are going to hell! Case closed!
Child of GOD, by the blood of his only begotten son, Jesus Christ.
“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.”
Revelation 21:1-7 KJV
Child of God saved by grace by the blood of Jesus Christ.
Paul writes this letter to the children of GOD and a message to the people that, IF an individual believes Jesus died and rose from the dead, the dead in Christ will rise first in that person life, while they are alive and further says, others have no hope:
“But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, (sleep means not born again, as it refers to a person dead in Christ, until Jesus converts that person, another way of saying, until Jesus steals a person from the darkness and puts them into the new heavenly‘s, which is light) that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.”
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 KJV
If your born again, the second coming of Jesus Christ already happened in your life. That means your no longer from this world and that person already experience the first death.
When this happened in someone’s life, they have been given the biggest gift anyone could ever have, because you have been given a new life by the blood of Jesus Christ and that individual will not experience hell, death and the grave what others had to do before the coming of Jesus Christ.
Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
1Jh 2:22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He who denies the Father and the Son is antichrist.
1Jh 2:23 Everyone who denies the Son neither has the Father. The one confessing the Son also has the Father.
Jesus Christ is the Son of God, He is the Messiah a man, but you say He is God. Then it is you who will one day stand under a judgment.
Show me a verse in the Bible that says that you have to believe that Jesus is God in order to be saved.
God has shown you the truth but you don’t want to see the truth.
If Jesus is not God, then explain . . .
Why Thomas calls Jesus God in John 20:28? (Note, Thomas addresses Jesus specifically).
Why does God call Jesus God in Heb. 1:8?
Why does John the apostle state that Jesus was the Word which was God that became flesh (John 1:1, 14)?
Why is the phrase “Call upon the name of the LORD” (Hebrew, YHWH, i.e., Psalm 116:4) used only of God on the OT and translated into Greek in the LXX as “Call upon the name of the LORD (greek, “KURIOS”) applied to Jesus in the NT (1 Cor. 1:2) if Jesus is not God in flesh?
Why does the apostle John say that Jesus was ” . . . calling God His own Father, making Himself equal to God.” (John 5:18)?
What did Jesus say that caused the Pharisees to claim that Jesus was making Himself out to be God (John 8:58)?
How was it possible for Jesus to know all things (John 21:17)?
How can Jesus know all men (John 16:30)?
How can Jesus be everywhere (Matt. 28:20)?
How can Jesus, the Christ, dwell in you (Col. 1:27)?
How can Jesus be the exact representation of the Nature of God (Heb. 1:3)?
How can Jesus be eternal (Micah 5:1-2)?
How can Jesus be the one who gives eternal life (John 10:27-28)?
How can He be our only Lord and Master (Jude 4)?
How can Jesus be called the Mighty God (Isaiah 9:6) if there is only one God in existence (Isaiah 44:6-8; 45:5)?
How can Jesus be called the Mighty God (Isaiah 9:6) and “God” also be called the Mighty God in Isaiah 10:21?
How was Jesus able to raise Himself from the dead (John 2:19-21)?
How can Jesus create all things (Col. 1:16-17), yet it is God who created all things by Himself (Isaiah 44:24)?
How can Jesus search the hearts and minds of the people (Rev. 2:23)?
Why was Jesus worshipped (Matt. 2:2, 11; 14:33; 28:9; John 9:35-38; Heb. 1:6) when He says to worship God only (Matt. 4:10)? (same Greek word for worship is used in each place.)
In the OT God was seen (Exodus 6:2-3; 24:9-11; Num. 12:6-9; Acts 7:2), yet no man can see God (Exodus 33:20; John 1:18). It was not the Father that was seen in the OT (John 6:46). Who, then were they seeing? See John 8:58.
Then why did Jesus claim the divine name, “I AM” for Himself in John 8:58? see Exodus 3:14.
Then why did Jesus say you must honor him even as you honor the Father (John 5:23)?
Then why is it that both the Father and the Son give life (John 5:21)?
Then why did Jesus bear witness of Himself (John 8:18; 14:6)?
All Religions Are Mortal Man Made Myths
Common Sense In the flesh versus Common Sense
In THE SPIRIT
If you don’t have Common Sense in the Spirit, the discussion becomes moot!
If your not born into the world, it’s impossible for anyone to have any understanding. If your not born into the new world, your awaiting on the coming of Jesus Christ!
If your born again, you understand the spirit, because your already in the new world, because the second coming of Jesus Christ already happened in that persons life!
Child of GOD
IM A PRISONER OF JESUS CHRIST.
If your a prisoner, that means you have been captured, taken away from another and now your owned by Jesus Christ!
In the English language, in the name of Jesus, GOD BLESS!
Friends, I personally believe in the Holy Trinity, and I understand that we all have our own beliefs and/or opinions but friends plz remain civil and kind when speaking with one another. God wouldn’t want us fighting, for Jesus prayed that we as believers in Him would be One. Thank you, God bless you All. 🙏🏽 😊 ❤
Agree. This subject was hotly debated amongst early Church leaders in the third and fourth centuries. Individuals were excommunicated and even murdered. The question “Is Jesus God?”, or “Is Jesus NOT God?” has been debated for 1700 years. The answer won’t decide who is saved, or who goes to Heaven. Love one another and don’t let this discussion lead you to anger. Peace in Christ.
Jesus said everything he does is not Him doing it but, God doing it through him. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 1st Corinthians 15:47 Theologians teach that God was manifested in three
persons: the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. But, the Bible teaches that
the mystery of Godliness was the manifestation of God in the flesh!
1 Timothy 3:16 King James Version
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. GOD WAS! GOD WAS! Stop causing doubts! Someone please give a AMEN!
GOD WAS MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH, JESUS IS THE MANIFESTATION OF GOD! IMMANUEL GOD WITH US! God’s Word is God from the beginning. God’s manifestation is God’s from the conception. God’s manifestation is Jesus/Immanuel God with us for 33 1/2 years, till the resurrection. Fully completing his own commandments perfectly in the flesh! Then giving his life for us, even though we are undeserving pieces of trash. That’s His GRACE. Oh! how he Loves us! Oh! how I Love Him!
Most of this doubt on here is the 33 1/2 years of being the second Adam. When the Lord lowered himself for YOU!
Hope someone finds Truth in this. Please let me know if you understand.
This has also become our (my family and me) conviction since October 2020. Before that, we were caught in the false doctrine of the Trinity. But God is the great merciful One.
1 Tim 3:16 is one of my favourite verses.
John 14:10: God works in the man Jesus, the Word of God become flesh, the Lamb of God, the Christ of God, the Son of God.
2 Cor 5:18, 19: God is the planner, speaker and acter, out of Him all originate:
His Word, creation, salvation, light, life.
Hebrews 2:11: For both He who sanctifies (the Son of God) and they who are sanctified are all of One (God). For this reason also He (the Son of God) is not ashamed to call them brethren,
12: but says, “I will proclaim Your name to My brethren; in the midst of the congregation I will sing praises to You!”
The Son of God, after His resurrection became the life-giving Spirit, who dwells in the believers. (1 Corinthians 15:45; John 14:17,18; John 16:7; 1 John 2:1)
The Son of God, the Lamb of God is Lord of lords and King of kings and is worshipped with God.
(e.g. Revelation 5:8-14)
All our previous brethren hold to the trinity doctrine and have excluded us.
But I’m glad about you, Joe!
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absolutely head shaking,.
Maybe you have been talking to demons or demonised people.
You attend the Roman Catholic lost who worship another Jesus.
Jesus is the Son of the living God . As Peter testified. He never said He was God , but he did say He is the son of man and the Son of God . Jesus did amazing things only God can do , because God was with him . But Jesus is not the ONE and only God , that’s impossible. Read the Bible it’s so very very clear . Jesus is the Son of God , The Christ . Do not add what is not there . Be blessed !
John 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
John 8:57-58 “Then the Jews said to Him, ‘You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?’ Jesus said to them, ‘Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.’”
John 10:31 “I and My Father are one.”
John 14:9 “Jesus said to him, ‘Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father: so how can you say ‘Show us the Father?’’”
John 17:4 “And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”
Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me? The words I say to you, I do not speak on My own. Instead, it is the Father dwelling in Me, performing His works. John 14:10
I am not asking on behalf of them alone, but also on behalf of those who will believe in Me through their message, 21that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22I have given them the glory You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one John 17:21
If anyone confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God. 16And we have come to know and believe the love that God has for us. God is love; whoever abides in love abides in God, and God in him. 1 John 4:16
It is good to know scripture.
Such interesting posts! Here’s what I know, when I pray to G-d, as Jesus taught, me, I feel the Holy Spirit growing inside of me like a cool hot tingling light and it has healed me instantly of chronic sinus infections, migraines, aching joints, injuries, and the list goes on. When this happens, I have no clear thought in my head, no discussion of who Jesus is, but rather a feeling of pure love for myself, and all of you, as we are all connected through G-d. My joy is for all things of the spirit, mainly Love, as Jesus taught me, not worldly things. And even if all the world is taken from me, like Job, I will feel this joy inside of me because it comes from an all powerful G-d that cannot be bound by flesh, or the rules of the flesh. I pray to ‘Our Father’ as Jesus taught me, and I strive to do greater works. Bless you all, and all who visit this site. And thank you Jason Lauterbauch, the author of this post.
You cite the word of Paul? He makes up some wierd heresy apparently: men are the head of women like Jesus is the head of men. Faith is all you need through “grace” not works to be saved, despite Jesus’s many non-stop works, and teachings about works being proof and fruit of a righteous person…
Otherwise Paul just rambles grandiosely.
But plants some truth throughout.
Being indoctrinated by the “holy” Trinity for 20 years by all of Society except Jehovah’s witnesses still has me a little bias against Jesus only being the son of God.
Indoctrination lead to millions of Nazis liking Nazism, especially children.
I assume Satan is not completely “cast out.”
God had to flood out the world so don’t trust people.
Save the children.
John 14:16-17 NKJV
“And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you [in Jesus] and will be in you.”
First a question for those of you who hold to the doctrine of the Trinity:
When did the Sonship of Jesus Christ begin? Not as every sonship in heaven and on earth begins? Through the begetting. Not before!
God promised a Son in several places, e.g. in Psalm 2:7 or Isaiah 9:5.
We read about the fulfillment in Luke 2 (here the Sonship began), retrospectively in Hebrews 1:5 or in Matthew 3:17. After that God sent His Son into the world. God revealed Himself in His Son, who is the exact image and radiance of the glory of God. The fullness of God has been revealed in the flesh, as also Joe on July 12, 2022 already expressed by 1 Tim 3:16. A special warning, especially for (or against) Roman Catholic preacher(s) follows immediately after. (So 1 Tim 4ff)
Some pearls have already been scattered in some commentaries. But there are also people here who show that they do not fear God by risking to pronounce God’s holy name wrongly, because the vocalization has not been handed down to us. Here they pronounce it this way and there they pronounce it differently, like a human name.
Also, some are ignorant of the implications of the following statement of God:
1 John 5:12
He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.
No angel, not even an archangel can forgive sins and give eternal life!
Therefore my participation in the discussion ends here. Argument is far from me.
Not that someone still turns around and tears me, or eats and wipes his mouth and says:
I have done no wrong.
But those of you who seek God with a sincere and penitent heart, blessed be He, and be assured that God will allow Himself to be found by you in His Word.
He has promised and He fulfills His Word. God is true, gracious and faithful!
Thanks to the operator of this website for allowing me to share my convictions here.
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Child of GOD:
The flesh don’t understand the spirit. Because your flesh don’t understand your spirit, means your lost, not in the sense your not saved, being saved by Jesus Christ has nothing to do with your being lost.
If your saved and you think you had something to do with that, then you need to re-read the scriptures.
If you been saved by Jesus Christ, then you have been captured against your will and your now a prisoner of Jesus Christ. Jesus owns you and you cannot escape!
Jesus purchases you with his blood and knew you before the foundations of this world!
Child of GOD,
If you are a prisoner of Jesus Christ, that means the second coming of Christ has already happened in your life.
What signs will follow for one to know, if the thief Jesus in the night came?
Scriptures: “But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.”
1 Thessalonians 5:1-5 KJV
WHOS IS ->as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
The WOMAN IS MARRY AND THE CHILD IS JESUS
“And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: and she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
Revelation 12:1-17 KJV
Child of GOD:
Listen up this is very important.
(For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape).
When you feel empty, alone, scared, unsure, confused, like your whole life went out from underneath you, people turning away from you, your family and friends and people you know well, they act like you got some kind of disease, health problems, Financial problems, lost of job and I can go on. If these things your experiencing, then you have been given the biggest gift anyone could give you, that is to say, Jesus Christ just purchased you and your no longer from this world, whereas the second coming of Christ has now already happened in your life.
When this happened in ones life, the church turns against you.
Digest this for a while and if you have any questions just put them up and I’ll answer them.
In the name of JESUS, GOD BLESS!!
I appreciate this so much as I too have questioned this. I always asked “how can God sit at the right hand of Himself? the whole concept never sat right in my spirit and I have been a ba Christian for over 20 years with just as much time in study. I know him and he knows me. I wanted to write a blog about it but shared this instead. thank you for sharing!
Child of GOD
I understand you may not be what’s considered a born again child of God. If you are then you should not be ignorant.
(I’m not saying anyone is).
I say this for this reason, there is a danger to the children of God for lack of understanding.
Paul combines the old world and the new world together, then and now, when he wrote this and now, as people learns this, to give people a difference of understanding.
That’s if people wants to comprehend and learn for themselves who they are owned by, regardless if that persons living in the flesh or spirit.
People are either owned by the darkness or by Jesus the light.
Remember the light overthrows the darkness.
If a person is a prisoner, then that person been captured by something.
Paul writes for the past and for the future, meaning it happened to him and may happen to you. Against your will. Your will has nothing to do with you being captured. If your captured that could go against your will.
Scripture: “Paul, a prisoner of Jesus Christ.
Philemon 1:1 KJV
The people who have been captured by Jesus. Jesus wants his people to have a clear understanding, who there new GOD is, by his name Jesus, Jesus becomes the people’s Lord and Personal Savior, all being in the same mind, as Paul wrote.
Born again means: Jesus converted you from the old world into the new world, while you are alive, before a person actually die.
Paul gives many definitions on how the process works, like a prisoner of Christ. There is no escape! You cannot be unborn again. You can’t be a born again as a child of God in the blood of Jesus without Jesus approval.
Paul goes into detail of what happens when Jesus comes in your life, as referred to the second coming of Jesus Christ.
“But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. (i’ll paraphrase: the reason why Paul wrote that, because it means the coming of Chris has already taken place in a person life) For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman (the woman is marry) with child (the child is Jesus) and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.”
1 Thessalonians 5:1-5 KJV
Paul reference this in the letter that he wrote for all of us then and now understand of the tournament, pain, embarrassment and danger Marry and Jesus had to go through. Remember in those days, Women would be stoned to death having a child out of wedlock. The Holy Spirit came upon Joseph, explained things to him and he had to get Marry out of there and over 2000 babies were slaughtered trying to kill Jesus.
Typically when a disaster comes in a persons life, like a sudden destruction, that person has just been captured, and became a prisoner of Jesus Christ. Nothing a person can do about it. The good news, now that person is a real child of GOD, by the blood of Jesus Christ.
Millions of people everyday has disasters, after disasters in people’s life’s, many thinks the devil in there life’s, they ask themselves, what did I do, to cause this, without recognizing who they are in Christ Jesus.
Why does the world hate Jesus people and make them feel like they are nothing and they are failures and sinful people.
The Bible tells us why:
Scriptures: “If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me (JESUS) before it hated you. If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I (Jesus) have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.”
John 15:18-19 KJV
Once a person become a child of GOD, that person is now light and it destroys the darkness. The church fails the children of GOD. Instead of the church teaching the children of GOD on why they struggling, because now they became a child of GOD.
When a person becomes a child of GOD, that person becomes a ball of fire. Therefore, the darkness doesn’t attempt to try to hit that person in all areas of life and stop him/her, the ball of fire the child of GOD has would be out of control.
It’s simple to understand who a child GOD is. If a fire started in the field and you don’t put that fire out. The bar would be blazing out of control.
The majority of the people that becomes the children of God, doesn’t even realize what’s happening in their life.
Paul is a perfect example:
Paul was a dangerous man, he wasn’t looking to get saved, he wasn’t looking for a new god, if Paul caught any man or woman practicing Christianity, Paul would bring them before the synagogues and have them
Prosecuted to death, before Jesus converted him or call it, Jesus captured him, as a new prisoner, from the dark to his NEW GOD, in the name of Jesus, Paul new Lord and Personal Savior by the blood of Jesus.
Once Paul realized his new GOD in the name of Jesus, he turned against his old god like a rattlesnake.
If your not born again, Paul teaches what one must believe in his/her heart to become born again.
Below is the scripture word by word in detail of what one needs to do to become born again and it further explains some have no hope.
Asleep means your not born again and your dead in Christ.
“But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.”
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 KJV
If a person is not born again, that person is waiting for the second coming of Jesus Christ.
If your born again, that means the second coming of Jesus Christ already occurred in your life. Another way of saying it, that person just be captured as a prisoner of Christ.
By Paul saying he’s a prisoner of Jesus Christ. That takes away from any self doing. One might say, he or she accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as thier Lord and personal savior. But that don’t mean you a child of GOD, because that’s self doing. The Bible lets us know that Jesus knew us before the foundation of this world and further teaches us that Jesus has already chosen his people before the foundation in this world.
If your born again that means you already experienced the first death. That means you will not experience death, hell or the grave. Why is this important?
Scriptures teaches us this:
“And when I (John) saw him (Jesus) , I fell at his (Jesus) feet as dead. And he (Jesus) laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I (Jesus) am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.”
Revelation 1:17-18 KJV
Jesus defeated Satan and Calvary and Jesus possesses the keys to death, hell and the grave.
Since Jesus was born, then laid his live down for us and died in the flesh, he was dead in the flesh for three days, then Jesus return for the second life on this planet (Jesus indeed returned on the third day). When Jesus returned on the third day, that’s the second time Jesus was here on this planet in the flesh. That’s part of the second coming of Jesus Christ. It’s called Jesus was the first fruit. When Jesus comes and captures a person, like a thief or like a
prisoner, that person becomes the second fruit, as the néw and improved creature on this planet, called the new child of GOD, by the blood of Jesus Christ.
Jesus not only rose from the dead in three days, he freed all the Saints; the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
“Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour. And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Some of them that stood there, when they heard that, said, This man calleth for Elias. And straightway one of them ran, and took a spunge, and filled it with vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink. The rest said, Let be, let us see whether Elias will come to save him. Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.”
Matthew 27:45-54 KJV
The authority been given to Jesus. It already (past tents) happened,
“And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman (Marry) clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: and she being with child (JESUS) cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman (Marry) which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child (Jesus) as soon as it was born. And she (Marry) brought forth a man child (Jesus), who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child (JESUS) was caught up unto God, and to his throne. And the woman (Marry) fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I (JOHN) heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb (JESUS), and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman (Marry) which brought forth the man child (JESUS) And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed (JESUS), which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
Revelation 12:1-17 KJV
So who now set on the right hand of the father-JESUS.
That already happened (past tents).
When a person experiences the first death, hallelujah praise the Lord Jesus. That person is now born again or call it a prisoner Christ and will not experience dead, hell and grave, when they
Officially die in the flesh.
Why, because Jesus possesses the keys to death hell and the grave. Satan no longer holds those keys.
I’ll button things up.
John heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I (JESUS) make all things new. And he (JESUS) said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. And he (Jesus) said unto me, It is done. I (Jesus) am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I (Jesus) will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.”
Revelation 21:3-7 KJV
Now for my concerns: Regardless if your a child of God, by the blood of Jesus or not born again.
Please understand for clarification, the dark cannot overthrow light.
Why do I mention this, if a person is not born again and teaching, preaching or ministering to an audience of people; that will birth new creatures on this planet to become the children of GOD. Once your Audience of people become the children of GOD, the world of darkness will attack and do whatever in the darkest power to take you out, if what your doing effects the world people owned by the darkness of this world. You would have no defense giving you light with power.
On the other hand, if your born again, if your teaching is not clarified to the audience, then the light will be your opposition, therefore one would have not only the darkness against them, but also the light. Not a good cross fire to be in.
“and said, Verily I (Jesus) say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.”
Matthew 18:3-4, 6 KJV
Jesus said this before he went to the cross, Jesus foretold and knew this message would be in the scriptures. Before what’s been considered a Bible came into existence some of us read today.
Jesus is talking about a child of GOD. A new creature of Jesus.
So be aware.
The church teaches up to the point Jesus will return. Guess what, he’s coming 24/7 coming for his people or stealing his people like a thief in the night or call it, Jesus captures his people and they become like a prisoner.
The sons and daughters of a Jesus Christ who died for us, by laying his life down, by the blood of Jesus, the children of GOD, will continue to be lost until it’s reveal to them who they are in Christ Jesus.
Best thing to do read your Bible. If reading is not enjoyable for you, then down load the Bible and go to sleep and your sub conscience will remember and the spirit of GOD will enlighten you. There will be day that all you do is listen and read your Bible because you’ll then start to get a handle on who Jesus is and what his done for you.
Not sure why it’s important to prove if Jesus is GOD or NOT.
Jesus is the son of GOD. Jesus was a man and the spirit of GOD lived within him.
Jesus sweated blood he was so shook up going to the cross. Mosers and I’ll let you fine who are the other one was, had to encourage him consul Jesus for him to continue his walk. That blesses me, because if Jesus needed counseling, so do I
You will find in Luke.
Again I’m not sure why that’s important, but one thing I know, JESUS SAID, IF YOU SEEN ME, YOU SEE THE FATHER, the FATHER AND I ARE ONE!
In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ my Lord and personal savior.
If Jesus is not God then He couldn’t pay for our sins , He would not be worthy of such a sacrifice for sins..
The jews threatened to stone Jesus because of what He said made Him equal with God ,John 8:58
Before Abraham was I Am , that’s why the jews tried to stone Him.
I need say no more!
If Jesus is God, why does he not know when the day nor the hour of the coming of the LORD?
We have been given the right to be called Sons (daughters) of God … Jesus is THE Son of God .. The Son of God … Big difference.
Dear Mr. Lauterbach ,your searching for truth that is good.Here is a view chapters and verses to think about Matthew 19:4 Jesus said he made them male and female from the beginning not we.Notice luke10:21 in that hour Jesus rejoiced in the spirit and said I praise you Father lord of heaven and earth that you have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and revealed them to babes,even so,father it seem good in your sight.I noticed Jesus didn’t include himself of creating heaven and earth.Mark10:18.,mark12:29,32 luke2:52…in favor with God and men.Luke4:8 obviously talking about the Father.Luke6:35 …sons of the highest the Father…Luke18::19…no one is good but one that is God.There is many more but what is John 20:17 mean that people just don’t understand this is right after Jesus death now he is risen his mission is complete so john 20:17 means what Jesus said the Father is God he said it,At o e time I didn’t want to believe it but it says it I believe it because Jesus said it.Thank you for your patience and time with me,bless you in our savior Jesus and the Father that loves us if we have Jesus we have the father also
I noticed John 1in the beginning was the word and so on,what most people don’t know of which I had at one time was a Geneva Bible before the king James Bible from verse 1 through 9 it says it not he until you get to verse 10 then it goes to he,so my question is who was the translator that translated it into he,if anybody knows who I would like to know.To me acts 2:22 says a lot Men of Israel,hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders,and signs which God did through him in your midst,as yourselves also know,maybe the bible interpreting itself maybe this means God being manifested in the flesh,God working through jesus.As I get older it is not the answers that I get but the more questions that I have,when it comes to God the more I know the more I know don’t know. Thanks again
Well said, Vance Tremaglio, it’s nice to meet a child of GOD.
I have idea, when you get time, read Genesis 1. Then stop and think what GOD did. GOD created male and female singular, in the spiritual imagine of GOD, he then, notice, the spirit of GOD, put no restrictions in the world. (unlike the LORD GOD did when the garden were created).
Then read Genesis 2.
Notice the difference between the LORD GOD and GOD. “These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, (PAST TENTS) in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,”
GOD Genesis 2:4 KJV
GOD CREATED-The spiritual man and woman.
the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.”
Genesis 2:7 KJV
The Spiritual man and woman
The soul man and woman.
In the name Jesus, GOOD BLESS
The term “God” can refer to the Father of Jesus, but it can also apply to the entire divine Elohim: the lineage that the Father and his Son Jesus are in. The Elohim (“the gods” in Hebrew) speak as “US” when introduced in Genesis 1. The Elohim are in PERFECT unity, and thus are usually spoken of with singular verbs, making the Elohim ONE God. The Hebrew word to describe the “oneness” of God is “echad”, and it means a oneness of unity, not of being one singular Being.
Basically everything that we talk about as “ONE” has members or parts. Such as “one family” that has multiple family members, or One U.S. Senate that has 100 members. The main exception is the “trinity” concept developed by philosophers without revelation of an immaterial body-less Essence of multiple inconceivable “Persons” but one “substance”. And possibly sub-atomic particles have no parts.
We know what kind of Beings the members of the ONE Elohim are because the man Jesus was the Son of the “Most High” member of the Elohim. So the coming of Jesus is a second witness that mankind, male and female, are created in the image and likeness of the Elohim. Collectively, the divine Elohim is INFINTE, ETERNAL and UNCHANGEABLE with all tri-omni power creating worlds without end. But individually, they are eternal intelligences with spirit bodies and resurrected physical bodies to house their spirits. They eternally have a divine perfect nature, but as “living” Beings progress and overcome all things to inherit exaltation as an equal with their Father. Because of their perfect unity with all truth and each other each member of the Elohim lineage has access to all tri-omni power if necessary.
The “Spirit of God” issues forth from the presence of God and fills the immensity of space. It gives life and light to all things and is the law by with all things are governed. But “God” is not just the all-present “Spirit of God”. God is the Elohim: a lineage of divine Beings in perfect unity that through their Spirit oversee and rule over all things. The man Jesus was still a Son, and thus not equal with his Father but grew in wisdom and stature until he overcame all things. Jesus was not the “Son of God” as the NT says 30 times, because of the theory of him having a “dual nature”, but because his actual DNA father was the God of Israel — a Being like himself. Like every Father and Son. But the resurrected Jesus is just as much a full member of the Elohim as his Father. Both the resurrected Jesus and his resurrected Father have their own throne: Revelation 3:21. The throne of Jesus will be set up on this earth for eternity, as the throne of his Father is set up on a previous earth where he was the Savior.
Well written Heber Frank good spiritual food.
In the name of Jesus,
Please for my wife she is wanting a divorce, I love my wife. Ask Jesus to turn her around
Please pray for me, my wife is in the process of divorcing me, please pray ask Jesus to change her mind
“I and the Father are one.” 31The Jews took up stones again to stone Him.32Jesus answered them, “I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?” 33The Jews answered Him, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God,” (John 10:30-33)
What was it that Jesus had said or done that caused the Jews to say that He was claiming to be God? Was it “I and the Father are one”? If so, why would that cause the Jews to want to kill Jesus? Perhaps it was something else. Maybe it was something Jesus said elsewhere that made them so angry.jews kill Jesus John 10
There are only two places in John where the Jews wanted to kill Jesus with stones. Both of these occur after Jesus spoke and made a claim about Himself. The first was in John 8:58-59, and the second was in John 10:30-33. Here is the context of both verses:
John 8:56-59, “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.” 57The Jews therefore said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?” 58Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.” 59Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself, and went out of the temple.”
John 10:27-36, “My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; 28and I give eternal life to them, and they shall never perish; and no one shall snatch them out of My hand. 29“My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. 30“I and the Father are one.” 31The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. 32Jesus answered them, “I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?” 33The Jews answered Him, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.” 34Jesus answered them, “Has it not been written in your Law, ‘I said, you are gods’? 35“If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), 36do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?”
There is absolutely no reference to stones or stoning between John 8:59 and John 10:31; but in those two verses, the Jews responded to Jesus’ words by wanting to kill Him. What was it that Jesus said in both cases that brought such a violent reaction? Here they are again . . .
John 8:58-59, “Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.” 59Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him;
John 10:30-31, “I and the Father are one.” 31The Jews took up stones again to stone Him.
The first time the Jews wanted to kill Jesus was when He said, “Before Abraham was, I am.” The second time wasn’t until John 10:31 when they again wanted to kill Him after Jesus said, “I and the Father are one.” Let’s look at these statements of Jesus.
John 8:58 and John 10:30
The Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that John 8:58 should be translated as ” . . . before Abraham was, I have been,” not “I am.” But what is it about saying, “I have been” that would motivate the Jews to want to kill Jesus? Was Jesus simply stating that He pre-existed? If so, they would have thought Him greatly deceived and not worthy of being killed. Do we see any prior account of anyone in the Bible being killed for claiming to pre-exist? No. It isn’t blasphemy to state that you have pre-existed. It is, however, blasphemy to claim to be God;1 after all, that is what the Jews accused Jesus of claiming for Himself in John 10:31 when they again picked up stones to kill Him. What was it that Jesus said that motivated them in John 10:31 and in John 8:59 to want to kill Jesus?
From what I have seen, the greater number of Bibles translate John 8:58 as, “Before Abraham was, I am.” The words “I am” are “ego eimi” in the Greek; and the construction is in the present tense. “I have been” is in the perfect tense in English, but it is the Greek of John 8:58 that is in the present tense and not the perfect tense (I have been). Remember, the Jews weren’t mad at Jesus for speaking English (I have been) but for speaking Greek (I am). Therefore, what is it about the statement “Before Abraham was, I am” that would cause such anger and warrant Him being stoned to death?
Some say that in John 8, Jesus had said and done so many things that by the time Jesus said, “I am” in verse 58, the Jews simply snapped and tried to kill Him. But, that doesn’t hold with the Jews’ statement in John 10:33 where they tell Jesus the reason; it was for claiming to be God. So, again, what is it about Jesus saying, “Before Abraham was, I am” (or, “I have been”) that was so volatile and worthy of death according to the Jews?
The most natural explanation I see is that Jesus was referring back to when Moses was at the burning bush and asked God what His name was. God said, “I am that I am. Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, I am has sent me to you.” (Exodus 3:14). If we were to consider this as an explanation, then it makes sense why the Jews wanted to kill Jesus since his statement “Before Abraham was, I am” would logically cause the Pharisees to think Jesus was claiming to be God–which is exactly what they stated later as the reason for them wanting to kill Him.
There are, however, those who say that Jesus could not have been referring to Exodus 3:14, or that there is no reason to refer Christ’s statement to Exodus 3:14. But, if that is so, then what other explanation is there for the Jews’ desire to kill Jesus? What else would generate such a violent reaction from the Jews? Is there any other explanation that is suitable? Remember, the Jews gave their own reason for their anger. They said to Jesus, ” . . . You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.” (John 10:33).
Therefore, we need to ask the Jehovah’s Witness in what verse is it that Jesus was claiming to be God? Or, in what verse was it that could be construed and misinterpreted by the Jews to think that Jesus was claiming to be God?
Finally, notice that the Jews absolutely denied that Jesus was God in flesh. Interestingly, so do the Jehovah’s Witnesses. So, the Pharisees and the Jehovah’s Witnesses are in agreement about who Jesus is not.
John 10:30 is an interesting statement by Jesus. He said, “I and the Father are one.” What did Jesus mean? Was He saying that He and the Father were one in purpose? If so, wouldn’t the Jews claim the same thing as they sought to honor and serve God? Or perhaps, Jesus was saying they were of the same mind. If so, why didn’t Jesus say so? Could it be that Jesus was saying that He and the Father were the same person? But this wouldn’t make sense since Jesus said, “the Father and I”–designating that they are not the same person. Finally, could it be that Jesus was claiming to be of the same essence of the Father; that is, He was claiming to be divine? If so, then this would make sense since the Pharisees certainly claimed that Jesus was claiming to be God.
“even because you, although being a man, make yourself a god,” (NWT)
The Jehovah’s Witness Bible called the New World Translation translates John 10:33 not as “You being a man make yourself out to be God,” but as, “even because you, although being a man, make yourself a god.” Notice the NWT says “a god,” not “God.” This is typical of the Watchtower Organization which seeks to obliterate any mention of Jesus’ deity by altering the biblical text.
1901 ASV, makest thyself God
AMP, make Yourself [out to be] God
CEV, claiming to be God!”
Darby, makest thyself God
ESV, make yourself God
GLT, make Yourself God
Holman Bible, make Yourself God
KJ21, makest thyself God
KJV, makest thyself God
Modern KJV, make yourself God
MSG, calling yourself God
NAB, making yourself God
NASB, to be God
NIV, claim to be God
NKJV, make Yourself God
NLT, have made yourself God
Phillips, making yourself out to be God
RSV, make yourself God
WE, you say you are God
Webster’s, makest thyself God”
WYC, makest thyself God
YLT, make thyself God
As you can see, out of 22 Bible versions, not one has “a god” translated as the Watchtower Organization does. Why? Because the Watchtower is biased against the deity of Christ and will take liberties to alter the English translation so as to suit its own theological needs.
Objection: You are deriving your theology from the Pharisees
On the contrary, I am doing no such thing. First of all, I do not agree with the Jews that Jesus is not God. It is the Jehovah’s Witnesses who agree with the Jews on this. Remember, the theology of the Jews is that Jesus is not God. Since I believe Jesus is God, I am not deriving my theology from them. Second, whether or not the Jews are correctly or incorrectly understanding Jesus isn’t the issue. The issue is what was it that Jesus said that caused them to say He was claiming to be God that so upset the Jews? If a Jehovah’s Witness cannot answer the question, then he doesn’t understand what is going on. It is simple. If he understood, then he could give an answer. If he can’t answer, then how can he understand the rest of the Bible since the Bible is about Jesus (John 5:39); and this issue is dealing with Jesus’ teachings about Himself? Third, the objection is a genetic fallacy; that is, it is saying that because the Pharisees said it, it can’t be true. This is like saying that because an atheist says something about Jesus, it can’t be true. Well, yes it can be true. Even atheists can understand what Jesus says and still not believe Him.
Questions for the JW’s:
What was it that Jesus had said or done that caused the Pharisees to say that He was claiming to be God in John 10:33?
What was it about what Jesus said in John 8:58 that caused the Pharisees to want to kill Him?
From the New World Translation perspective, what is it about saying, “I have been” (John 8:58) that would motivate the Jews to want to kill Jesus?
Do we see any prior account of anyone in the Bible being killed for claiming to pre-exist if Jesus was merely claiming pre-existence?
Could you please explain what it was the Pharisees misunderstood and what they were misunderstanding to cause them to say what they did about Jesus’ claim?
If a JW cannot answer the questions above, then
Doesn’t that mean he doesn’t understand the text since he cannot answer the question?
If he doesn’t understand this text about Jesus, then how can he understand the rest of the Bible since the Bible is about Jesus (John 5:39); and this passage is about Jesus’ own teaching?
JESUS is not GOD unless GOD is a schizophrenic guy who has multiple personalities. I finish to read from Genesis to Revelation, and there are never any claims except by prosperity gospel teachers that Jesus is God. It’s why Christianity becomes confused. Jesus receives honor and authority from God. Think Jesus is God. It’s like thinking the Bible is a scam; if the bible is a scam, our salvation is for sake.
Imagine in Luke 22:42 Jesus praying to Jesus, asking Jesus to remove the cup from Jesus, so it becomes nonsense. It’s that confusion that makes it impossible for a non-believer to understand what we are teaching. So I suggest you pray and read the Bible whiteout hearing the voice of your pastor who asked you to “Trust me, Bro,” and take your money.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man
Says it all.
Ahhh yeah you cherry picked that verse! You failed to add the rest of the verse which states the making of Roman statues as gods, Egyptian scarabs as gods, carved idols made of wood and stone as gods etc etc! Typical to prove a man made point!
What a blessing this site is for surely the Holy Spirit has revealed the truth here and the very soles of Christians are at stake. According to Jesus in Revelation 2:4, many have lost their FIRST LOVE, which is God Almighty. In a parallel effort guided by God, I just published the book “God And Jesus: The Identity Crisis!” This is a 280 page book available as a $2.99 eBook, and it fully supports the Scrlptures revealed on this website. The book info is at http://www.godand-jesus.org. May God Bless all of you who can accept the truth revealed on this website. I have answered the “I AM” verses used to make Jesus God. It is an abuse of the Greek and simply doesn’t make sense when analyzed. So, the battle for Christian souls begins here. There is a warning from Paul that Christ, when he comes back, will take vengeance on those who do not know his God and have not obeyed his gospel. For centuries, the orthodox church has lied about the identities of God and Jesus. They’ve also lied about the nature of salvation itself. There is no place in the Holy Bible where you can mouth Jesus as Lord and get into eternal life. Shocking revelation. May God also bless you in the search for his truth. You’ll need it for eternal life depends on you “loving the truth.” Thank you to the owners and creators of this website. It was a blessing for me this day. Rev. Edward G. Palmer, aka Edward.
Would like to bring across some pointers, here. This is a very good article. And, yes. In Numbers 23:19, although the subject matter is quite different and refers to mankind in our current state of being born in sin, YAHWEH (JEHOVAH: two different pronunciations) clearly states HE is not the (or “a”) son of man. HE does not change. 2,000 years ago HE didn’t change either.
GOD is not shy about declaring to everyone WHO HE is and what HIS NAME is. “YAHWEH” is in the original Old Testament Hebrew thousands of times. Not shy. If Jesus were YAHWEH, He would have plainly stated it. “I am YAHWEH your GOD.” Nope. Not once. And I don’t recall our Lord being shy, either. Son Of GOD? Yes. Divine? Yes. Creator? Yes. By JEHOVAH operating through Him and in Him. All of us were created through Jesus. GOD made Jesus first and in HIS likeness. “The firstborn of many brethren.”
Now… a legality…
In a court of law and/or in settling a dispute, where a mediator is involved, the mediator is a third party. For the mediator to be the same person as either the one bringing the charges or the accused, or as either party in a land dispute for example, is illegal. The mediator, without exception, is a separate individual.
Christ is Mediator between GOD and man. Therefore for Him to be YAHWEH and mediator is not legally possible.